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Post by rammstein on Jan 18, 2008 18:48:59 GMT
Which technique? The one not used against european plate or the one that's never experienced a crossgaurd?
Ding ding ding!
I think tsafa's said the best piece to date, karma for you!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 18:54:41 GMT
I had to go through this as a process of elimination. The vikings are raiders using hit and run tactics. They do not go into fair fights. They preferred to attack monasteries. So they are out. I have issue with the samurai's ability to adapt quickly enough to different environment and fighting styles. I think they would be defeated by sheildwalls. They are also an elite class, so there is less of them. Knights with their heavy charges, armor and weapons proved they they could adopt to changing situations across Europe and the Middle-East. Problem with knights is that they are from an Elite class and expensive to finance. They were at a disadvantage to larger, cheaper armies of pikemen. They also are not very good at forming and keeping alliances. The Spartans are citizen soldiers who fight on foot in large formations. They have pr oven the ability to improvise, use the terrain advantageously, and form fruitful alliances. These are all characteristics that are lacking to some degree in the other contenders. Spartans win! (note: If you included Romans... Romans would win. They were the best organized 3rd cent B.C. to 3rd cent A.D.) The samurai fought in Korea and the adapted well to there terrain and they were very skilled tacticians and strategists and your thinking after the Shogun cut off the ability to move from a farmer to a samurai in the 1600s
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 18, 2008 19:09:15 GMT
Also add the Celts (Who kicked the romans ass!), AND Beowulf! So he can yell "Beowulf!!!" As he tears through all of them!
And since the ninja turtles are in there lets also add.... THE POWER RANGERS!! (the first ones though).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 19:13:36 GMT
Or how about we nuke this thread from orbit? It's the only way to be sure.
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Post by rammstein on Jan 18, 2008 19:20:27 GMT
Celts didn't kick romes ass....?
Weell, my roman history post pax romana isn't very strong, but britain was pretty well conquered by the romans until their withdrawal in the 5th c. (?). Boudica's entire army was completely destroyed by 1 and a half legions (XIIII and what remained of XX). But what do you mean by celts? Boudica was of the iceni tribe, that can sort of be considered celtic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 19:32:36 GMT
The Celts controlled much more then just Britain. Gaul was considered Celtish. resourcesforhistory.com/map.htmHowever, they certainly did not kick Roman ass, until Rome had kicked it's own ass.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 18, 2008 19:35:37 GMT
What about Beowulf? (The ridiculous one from the movie who screams his own name constantly) Or the power rangers? Where is your fancy links now? Muhuhahaahaha!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 19:43:03 GMT
Okay, now your acting like a 5 year old. (Not that you weren't before.)
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Post by rammstein on Jan 18, 2008 19:43:33 GMT
I'm never sure how people refer to the celts - it varies drasticaly from only england to any barbarian tribe north of rome.
But the gauls were completely massacred and almost enslaved by rome. Look up the battle of Alesia. Vercingetorix was publicly executed.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 18, 2008 19:46:29 GMT
Okay, now your acting like a 5 year old. (Not that you weren't before.)+1 karma on pointing out the obvious!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 21:13:14 GMT
I'm never sure how people refer to the celts - it varies drasticaly from only england to any barbarian tribe north of rome. But the gauls were completely massacred and almost enslaved by rome. Look up the battle of Alesia. Vercingetorix was publicly executed. I think that oos3thoo was refering to the iberians or spanish. Their FALCATAS put fear in rome for many years...right?
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 18, 2008 21:15:01 GMT
Maybe... It was more of a rough "hearing" than an actual fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 21:19:05 GMT
I had to go through this as a process of elimination. The vikings are raiders using hit and run tactics. They do not go into fair fights. They preferred to attack monasteries. So they are out. Norther people were bigger and stronger then Mediterranean people, but that did little for the Germanian's when they faced short Romans. I have issue with the samurai's ability to adapt quickly enough to different environment and fighting styles. I think they would be defeated by sheildwalls. They are also an elite class, so there is less of them. Knights with their heavy charges, armor and weapons proved they they could adopt to changing situations across Europe and the Middle-East. Problem with knights is that they are from an Elite class and expensive to finance. They were at a disadvantage to larger, cheaper armies of pikemen. They also are not very good at forming and keeping alliances. The Spartans are citizen soldiers who fight on foot in large formations. They have proven the ability to improvise, use the terrain advantageously, and form fruitful alliances. These are all characteristics that are lacking to some degree in the other contenders. Spartans win! (note: If you included Romans... Romans would win. They were the best organized 3rd cent B.C. to 3rd cent A.D.) the samurai's ability to adapt was quite good. They adapted to the koreans, chinese, and mongolians. The samurai beat all of them. The only weakness that the samurai would have in battle was some weaknesses in their armor. Otherwise, they are greaT WARRIORS. The Spartans mostly fought other phalanxes like the Athenians... theres no difference between the samurai and spartans in adapting. Maybe the spartans would adapt better because they were abused badly when they were younger...which toughened them and taught them how to live on their own which also teaches them to use their terrain to their advantage.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 18, 2008 21:20:51 GMT
Still the Romans trump them all. Especially if we put Ceasar in charge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 21:26:13 GMT
Yep, the Romans fought everywhere and against everyone on land and sea. They were organized and inventive. They made strategic alliances. They knew how to party too.
The Samurai in Korea does not constitute a big enough test of adaptation. The Spartan phalanx is based on a standard used throughout Greece at the time. Alexander the Great took a version of that Phalanx all the way to Egypt, Persia, Afghanistan and India. In India he faced his toughest challenge against Poros who used War Elephants and the Greeks still came out ahead. That is a test of adaptation.
The Romans beat the Greeks in the Macedonian wars through better organization. The Roman legions were divided up into 200-250 man Manipols. They made surgical strikes at weakpoints in the Greek Phalanx. More important to Rome was their strategic alliances. When they suffered huge losses against the Carthaginians they were able to raise new armies from among their allies. Their allies were a source or recruits for the legions.
Alexander the Great had to foresight to begin a similar international recruitment program. He recruited and trained men everywhere he went. His Macedonian nobles were very resentful of this. They did not want to fight alongside non-Greeks as equals. After his death they abandoned the program. That is the reason why Rome came to rule the world and not Greece.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 21:28:34 GMT
romans are awesome... but not very popular...
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 18, 2008 21:30:39 GMT
Says who? I like the Romans and like Tsafa says, they threw a good party.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 18, 2008 21:35:15 GMT
Not to mention even tough they were not mentioned, they are getting voted. Sounds pretty popular to me, like voting some guy prom king even though he graduated 5 years ago and during his school-less years he was still voted king every year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 21:36:42 GMT
Says who? I like the Romans and like Tsafa says, they threw a good party. every one of my friends don't care about the romans. but they do care about the samurai...spartans...ect.... the romans didn't do or have anything beautiful or cool that was extraodinary like the spartans...samurai..ect...
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 18, 2008 21:42:09 GMT
Damn! I'm an out of the clique again. They had the gladius, which I think is very cool.
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