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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 0:32:42 GMT
Yea that's good enough advice. I usually just do 10 minutes of bareknuckle a day and I try not to punch with full strength all the time (though I can't resist a few good punches here and there lol). Maybe I'll just keep bare knuckle to a minimum and start slow but wrap my hands for the rest of the time. Maybe wear my gloves too. Alternate between them alone with fist push up's and what not Wrapping will help your form in general and provide a good bit of wrist support. I would still be careful because while wraps keep your fists tight and will reduce the chances of injury they aren't going to be a free pass to whale on the bag. Hands are terrible clubs, and slow to heal. Keep them wrapped and work on building that muscle memory. I just got back from hitting the bag today. Yea your guys advice on hooks and such was absolutely right changed my game entirely. Doing hooks palm in was much much better, and I felt a lot more confident hitting hard with wraps, and my wrist didn't buckle on me lol. I think I'll stick to this, and keep the bare knuckle to maybe once a week and not my strongest punches, just to sort of "test my wrist strength"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 1:58:29 GMT
Should also mention self defense and just fighting a guy is a little diff. They don't always jump to dirty tricks and it's not alwyas a life or death situation and I would rather walk away in most cases. But some people have a bit of a temper on them lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 4:44:46 GMT
I can't really speak to bare-knuckle boxing as the extent of my knowledge stems from a short documentary I watched years ago, but the only thing I'd have thought to point out has already been mentioned: fist orientation. As for just knuckle conditioning, when I did kenpo in my teenage years, they focused heavily on working with the first two knuckles as they were larger and therefore stronger and would concentrate force better over using the whole fist, plus sparing the other two knuckles. We were also taught to keep our thumbs pressed to the outside of our fists, rather than tucked in, as we'd be less likely to crush/break them on a hard hit. Beyond that, we did pushups on just the two knuckles, plus occasional work on a small sand bag, mounted to a wooden board, on one of the building's support poles. It might've been an inch thick at its fattest, and maybe 8"x10". I still like to punch steel poles, sometimes, although lightly these days, as some of the old conditioning remains but not all. At one time I let a buddy practice punching my own fist, and his was sore after five hits while I hadn't thought much of it. Shoot, I used to tease another buddy by lightly punching the padded binder he used to hold very closely to his chest pretty much all the time at school. One day he challenged me to really go at it, so I did. One good punch revealed he'd removed the padding and reinforced the binder with something much harder, and my fist slid down the mesh enough to tear skin off between my knuckles. Gave him the old "well-played" and excused myself to the office to get a bandaid. Didn't hurt, but it was bleeding. I still have the scar... But yeah, form practice is the best thing you can do. Your body will give you the best feedback; take it slow and lightly until you find what works and then pick up from there. Fist conditioning comes from fist use. No real shortcuts. Just don't go copying those Chinese guys who go out and punch trains for practice... You know, even tho I usually keep my thumb tucked under, I realized I sometimes find myself putting it where you described when doing certain punches, such as palm in hooks. It feels better that way in some punches
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Post by snubnoze on Feb 12, 2022 0:09:12 GMT
My advice, after 15 years experience in Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and Boxing is to not beat on a heavybag with a bare fist. You can go on the lighter side to focus on your form and make sure you aren't bending at the wrist, but I would recommend padding because you're likely just going to damage your hands over a bareknuckle boxing fantasy for no reason. I do like to go with a lighter glove though without handwraps. These are what I use:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 1:59:46 GMT
My advice, after 15 years experience in Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and Boxing is to not beat on a heavybag with a bare fist. You can go on the lighter side to focus on your form and make sure you aren't bending at the wrist, but I would recommend padding because you're likely just going to damage your hands over a bareknuckle boxing fantasy for no reason. I do like to go with a lighter glove though without handwraps. These are what I use:
what about on a medium bag? Or would you avoid it all together?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 2:00:20 GMT
Imho, boxing is good for street fighting like cross-country running is good for playing soccer. What do you think of Lethwei for self defense
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 2:09:42 GMT
I really doubt anyone on this forum is into such things , but I wanna check anyway. What do you guys think of this?
Future arthritis problems ? Or best way to condition? Jk
For disclosure, I don't have a desire to become a famous lethwei fighter or anything. I am mostly just wondering how to condition the body to "become a weapon", mostly because I want to feel more confident in less safe environments. In the end, it is likely just going to be a piece of mind, like someone might feel carrying a pistol on their belt.
Edit : not asking if I should condition them anymore btw. Just asking about luthwei in general. From what I hear this guy soaks his hands in ice water after his fights. I'm sorta interested in the knuckle push up stuff they do and what not tho. Not the punching hard objects stuff
Edit 2: I finally found a way to clarify my thoughts and the way I word myself. My goal is to do SOME of the training hoping to get SOME of the results 😎. Ideally this will suppoliment my usual boxing training, so that if I ever did need to defend myself (or my Honor) I'll have some of the tools I need to do so. I don't wanna do all the training as some looks like the kind of stuff that gives guys hand problems later in life, but what stuff seen safe to you guys? What's a safer way to accomplish a bit of what he does?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 2:59:07 GMT
perhaps this would be better if training without gloves?
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Post by snubnoze on Feb 13, 2022 17:18:39 GMT
I really doubt anyone on this forum is into such things , but I wanna check anyway. What do you guys think of this? I'm a bit biased because I absolutely cannot stand Dave Leduc as a person, he's a total d-bag and charlatan (He's actually banned in Myanmar now), but I would say unless you live in Myanmar there isn't really any good training options for Lethwei anywhere else. They don't even fight full barenuckle BTW, they use handwraps which defeats the purpose and makes things dramatically different.
Having hands of steel may be a false sense of security in the long run. Unless you are sparring with people regularly - learning how to deliver and defend shots in a high pressure situation - you'll be lacking most of what constitutes fighting.
I would suggest looking around for gyms in your area and pick whatever is the best facility with good training and training partners - be it Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Kyokushin, or whatever.
*Edit - I see you mention Boxing so perhaps you are already sparring and my point is moot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 20:18:55 GMT
I really doubt anyone on this forum is into such things , but I wanna check anyway. What do you guys think of this? I'm a bit biased because I absolutely cannot stand Dave Leduc as a person, he's a total d-bag and charlatan (He's actually banned in Myanmar now), but I would say unless you live in Myanmar there isn't really any good training options for Lethwei anywhere else. They don't even fight full barenuckle BTW, they use handwraps which defeats the purpose and makes things dramatically different.
Having hands of steel may be a false sense of security in the long run. Unless you are sparring with people regularly - learning how to deliver and defend shots in a high pressure situation - you'll be lacking most of what constitutes fighting.
I would suggest looking around for gyms in your area and pick whatever is the best facility with good training and training partners - be it Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Kyokushin, or whatever.
*Edit - I see you mention Boxing so perhaps you are already sparring and my point is moot.
Man, thanks for the detailed response I appreciate it. Yea he seemed kind of like a douche bag to me, everyone in the comments kept saying what a nice guy he is, but I got the impression he isn't very nice if he doesn't like you, he reminds me of everyone I know back home lol. The kind of guy who will stomp your head after he already won the fight There is a boxing gym near me I wanted to join. I might just go with that. I used to do muay Thai, and wouldn't mind going back to that again if I find it anywhere I used to spar all the time, and me and a few buddies were gonna start sparring together too. But right now I'm just perfecting my form
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 0:40:40 GMT
Upon further practice, I decided that if I'm ever going in a place I might fight someone, maybe I'll just take some MMA gloves with me so I can protect my hands and use more power. The amount of power I can put in with them and wraps on is crazy, but to be honest, even just the gloves are fine. I really wish I had a heavy bag, but I'm confident the feed back would be the same. It's been years since I hit one
Yea, screw carrying knives, carry boxing gloves and a mouth guard lol
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