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Post by Cos on Feb 9, 2022 13:14:44 GMT
I'll be taking a look for sure. I've been using Balistol oil and that has worked well.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 9, 2022 14:55:54 GMT
Nice info! I half remember this has been researched a bit here too. If I can find it, I'll post it, but you may have more time to search. (Mod team is busy fighting fires)
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Post by kloborgg on Feb 9, 2022 16:02:56 GMT
Really interesting results. I've been using CLP with good results, but if it's cheaper I might go back to 3-in-1 after I run out. Surprised to see how badly rem oil performed
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Post by Ouroboros on Feb 9, 2022 16:46:07 GMT
Fantastic video, thanks! Ren wax surprised me compared to 3-in-1. The mineral oil was...saddening.
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Post by ericmosser on Feb 9, 2022 17:18:02 GMT
I like this kind of empirical testing, and there are some surprising results here, but it's also worth noting that leaving carbon steel out in the rain/elements for 3 weeks is waaaaaay more extreme than the conditions that most people subject their blades to (and in my experience, any of these treatments will work fine in more normal conditions)
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Post by tera on Feb 9, 2022 17:21:39 GMT
I may have to get some 3-in-1 oil. I've practically got vats of CLP, but I use that for bang sticks not swoosh sticks.
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Post by LeMal on Feb 9, 2022 20:53:09 GMT
Hehe, doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Including the WD40 doing fairly well, haven't I been trying to say so a long time? As for 3-in-1, hell, I've relied on and lived the stuff since I was a six year-old oiling his bike chains. š
"You get what you pay for"? Eeeeeh, kind of, mostly, but fadishness in groups means always take that advice with an iceberg sized grain of salt.
On the other hand, "nothing ruins a great hypothesis like an experiment"? Like Conan's father would say, "THIS you can trust."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 1:11:40 GMT
Good thread, I didn't realize WD-40 was better than mineral oil, but then again, my swords never rusted when I used to use it. Perhaps I will again, but I haven't had any problems with petroleum jelly either. That stuff lasts long
I wonder how it would fair in such a test
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Post by eastman on Feb 10, 2022 1:12:17 GMT
A couple years ago I was talking with the curator of a museum Arms and Armor collection. They use Ren Wax on the small pieces and the really good pieces. Some of the larger armors get bowling ball wax instead (it is also a micro-crystalline wax, but not as highly refined).
There is one key step to using Ren Wax for conservation/preservation that is not shown in the video above. You should warm the surface with a hair drier or heat gun before applying the wax. That way the wax flows to give complete coverage. Items that were treated this way survived salt water damage to collections affected by Katrina. Wiped on wax (no heat) did not give the same level of protection.
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Post by snubnoze on Feb 10, 2022 2:10:08 GMT
I think you also have to take into account factors like smell. I keep my swords in my room, I don't want to be smelling WD-40 or Balistol. I like CLP because it works great and doesn't have a bad smell.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 10, 2022 13:17:48 GMT
A couple years ago I was talking with the curator of a museum Arms and Armor collection. They use Ren Wax on the small pieces and the really good pieces. Some of the larger armors get bowling ball wax instead (it is also a micro-crystalline wax, but not as highly refined). There is one key step to using Ren Wax for conservation/preservation that is not shown in the video above. You should warm the surface with a hair drier or heat gun before applying the wax. That way the wax flows to give complete coverage. Items that were treated this way survived salt water damage to collections affected by Katrina. Wiped on wax (no heat) did not give the same level of protection. Wow, THIS is a great tip! LevinLance, I don't think oiling then applying wax will work as well. I've tried on blades and the ren-wax didn't seem to stick. But your results may vary. All in all, this iis a great discussion.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Feb 10, 2022 15:16:22 GMT
Hehe, doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Including the WD40 doing fairly well, haven't I been trying to say so a long time? As for 3-in-1, hell, I've relied on and lived the stuff since I was a six year-old oiling his bike chains. š "You get what you pay for"? Eeeeeh, kind of, mostly, but fadishness in groups means always take that advice with an iceberg sized grain of salt. On the other hand, "nothing ruins a great hypothesis like an experiment"? Like Conan's father would say, "THIS you can trust." Same for me. My father had 3-in-1 in the garage and used it for everything. I've been doing the same for decades.
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Post by ericmosser on Feb 10, 2022 15:21:25 GMT
I think you also have to take into account factors like smell. I keep my swords in my room, I don't want to be smelling WD-40 or Balistol. I like CLP because it works great and doesn't have a bad smell. heh, I like using ballistol because of the smell - I wish it lasted longer! (but I'm a big fan of black licorice in general)
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Post by pgandy on Feb 10, 2022 17:11:55 GMT
I live in the tropics, a breeding ground for rust. My favourite is LPS-3 but itās extremely hard for me to get. I tried Ren Wax and rust appeared. Not only that but I found it cost prohibitive and probably more so today. The narrator states $16. By adding shipping and custom fees ā$25 estimated =WOW! So I substituted car paste wax with good results. I do not wipe this down but leave with a less than eye pleasing visible coating so that I know itās there. However lately Iāve been using oil in some cases. 3 in 1 is not sold here but there is another having the physical characteristics of 3 in 1, i.e. colour, smell, viscosity, etc., that Iām pleased with. I have a rag saturated with the oil stored in a convenient sheltered place that I wipe a piece down with. If Iāve gotten the blade wet I spray with WD-40 then the oil after wiping off the excess WD-40. I do use the WD-40 on my armour espicially chain with good results. I found the oiled rag easy to use so I find myself wiping down my blades more frequently. Thatās an interesting video.
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Post by unistat76 on Feb 10, 2022 18:35:44 GMT
I may have to get some 3-in-1 oil. I've practically got vats of CLP, but I use that for bang sticks not swoosh sticks. Yeah, it simplifies my logistics a lot if I use gun oil and CLP on my firearms and my sharps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 23:29:52 GMT
I live in the tropics, a breeding ground for rust. My favourite is LPS-3 but itās extremely hard for me to get. I tried Ren Wax and rust appeared. Not only that but I found it cost prohibitive and probably more so today. The narrator states $16. By adding shipping and custom fees ā$25 estimated =WOW! So I substituted car paste wax with good results. I do not wipe this down but leave with a less than eye pleasing visible coating so that I know itās there. However lately Iāve been using oil in some cases. 3 in 1 is not sold here but there is another having the physical characteristics of 3 in 1, i.e. colour, smell, viscosity, etc., that Iām pleased with. I have a rag saturated with the oil stored in a convenient sheltered place that I wipe a piece down with. If Iāve gotten the blade wet I spray with WD-40 then the oil after wiping off the excess WD-40. I do use the WD-40 on my armour espicially chain with good results. I found the oiled rag easy to use so I find myself wiping down my blades more frequently. Thatās an interesting video. Yea i do that with petroleum jelly too. A visible coating. Works good for long term storage that way. It's kind of a pain to put on compared to hanwei sword oil and an old rag, but it works for a long time
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Post by kloborgg on Feb 10, 2022 23:40:04 GMT
I live in the tropics, a breeding ground for rust. My favourite is LPS-3 but itās extremely hard for me to get. I tried Ren Wax and rust appeared. Not only that but I found it cost prohibitive and probably more so today. The narrator states $16. By adding shipping and custom fees ā$25 estimated =WOW! So I substituted car paste wax with good results. I do not wipe this down but leave with a less than eye pleasing visible coating so that I know itās there. However lately Iāve been using oil in some cases. 3 in 1 is not sold here but there is another having the physical characteristics of 3 in 1, i.e. colour, smell, viscosity, etc., that Iām pleased with. I have a rag saturated with the oil stored in a convenient sheltered place that I wipe a piece down with. If Iāve gotten the blade wet I spray with WD-40 then the oil after wiping off the excess WD-40. I do use the WD-40 on my armour espicially chain with good results. I found the oiled rag easy to use so I find myself wiping down my blades more frequently. Thatās an interesting video. It's funny you mention the bit about needing a visible coating; the reason I stopped using Ren wax for my swords was, aside from the cost, the fact that I couldn't reliably tell when it needed another coat. With oil, it's usually easy to eyeball this, and if I ever doubt myself, I don't need to worry about the cost of applying one more coat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 23:49:43 GMT
It seems some people are a little defensive/protective over their favoritesĀ I'm mostly just frugal and already own what's in my possession š But when I run out, 3 in 1 seems appealing
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Post by skelley on Feb 11, 2022 0:54:07 GMT
It seems some people are a little defensive/protective over their favorites Well, I mostly use Rem oil so that's a little disappointing... But I also don't leave my swords in the elements for three weeks. With that said, I would be interested in a similar experiment involving household dust. Seems like a more realistic scenario.
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Post by eastman on Feb 11, 2022 2:34:14 GMT
It seems some people are a little defensive/protective over their favorites
The guy I learned from is responsible for an extensive collection. Here are a few examples:
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