|
|
Post by maxdchouinard on Jan 11, 2022 15:18:50 GMT
As for the spear point, it was straightened in 1816 for the heavy cavalry (see here the directives form the artillery in 1819). Officers apparently followed suit in 1817, as models made during the Restoration still have the chisel point.  free upload photo |
|
|
|
Post by jack88 on Jan 11, 2022 18:06:30 GMT
As you say earlier in the thread, L'Hoste describes this one stamp as an "unknown controller. Probably from Klingenthal". This is based on a single example. L'Hoste did some great work in his day, but without wanting to insult the man, his research is now quite dated. A lot of his suppositions have since been questionned or even proved wrong. I would not take his opinions for cash unless backed by a source. As Pino says, I am bringing other possibilities to the table. You seem to have a scenario about scavenging units and a dragoon falling from his horse. All I am saying is that there is no indication at all that this piece ever transited by Klingenthal, or 3ven dates from the first empire, and that the damage we are seeing could be coming from later repairs or modifications by well meaning owners. We have absolutely no reason to disbelieve L'Hoste in this instance, nor have you provided any evidence otherwise indicating a different meaning of "RM". His statement of "RM" being from Klingenthal is published evidence that this sword was likely a scavenge piece. The blade is unmarked other than the so called "rose of Solingen" which may infact simply be an unmarked domestic produce AN XI. As for the hilt damage this is no point of impact to create the obvious bend which would be left by a vice (the only handhold tool capable of making such a bend). Nor is there a major ding such as a blow from another weapon. Therefore the only explanation is a severe strike against a flat surface such as the ground. Unless you're supposing someone used a pad for some reason to bend the guard but did not use one to cover the vice for the insertion of the new blade. That's ludicrous. As for the spear point, it was straightened in 1816 for the heavy cavalry (see here the directives form the artillery in 1819). Officers apparently followed suit in 1817, as models made during the Restoration still have the chisel point. free upload photoThis topic has been discussed ad nausem on passionmilitaria and they came to the conclusion that like the M1816 scabbard spear pointing was common practice prior to the 100 days war. Evidenced by the large number of captured AN XIII's with spear points in various collections and museums. Just because it was not published does not indicated spear pointing didn't begin earlier the same as the distribution of the M1816 scabbard. I'm sorry but you're throwing some seriously wild suppositions out that have no evidence, nor for some reason are you apparently aware of the settled debate on PM regarding spear-pointing. Not to mention this is an officers blade and regulations be damned officers did what they wanted. |
|
Uhlan
Member
Posts: 3,121
|
Post by Uhlan on Jan 11, 2022 18:20:01 GMT
Meh, he's just trolling you Jack.
Don't you think he knows full well what is going on on PM?
Seen this same behaviour down at FB and Viking Sword.
Solve one problem and they immediately come up with another.
It is not about facts or anything positive. Constructive.
On the contrary.
It's just about winning the debate. That is the all important.
Like they are back at the debating club down at university.
Yoh mister Max. Stop wasting our time.
Put up or shut up.
Cheers.
|
|
|
|
Post by maxdchouinard on Jan 11, 2022 21:56:53 GMT
Wow! Alright folks, you are clearly convinced of being in the right, and since I have better things to do than being called a troll I bid you good night!
|
|
