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Post by Robert in California on Dec 8, 2021 5:45:44 GMT
....katana. Interesting because different style hamons are on different sides of the blade. My Shinshinto katana is that way too, a fancier hamon on one side of the blade and a less so on the other. Not sure why Japanese smiths did that....was it perhaps related to how some tsubas have a more and a less fancy side? Link... www.sinosword.com/christmas-sale.html#!/Christmas-Sale/c/124210164/offset=9 RinC (I'd probably buy the $400 (marked down) katana except I just spent a bit more than that on a Jkoo/Sino waki, etc order (tsuka re-build).
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Post by treeslicer on Dec 8, 2021 15:05:23 GMT
....katana. Interesting because different style hamons are on different sides of the blade. My Shinshinto katana is that way too, a fancier hamon on one side of the blade and a less so on the other. Not sure why Japanese smiths did that....was it perhaps related to how some tsubas have a more and a less fancy side? Link... www.sinosword.com/christmas-sale.html#!/Christmas-Sale/c/124210164/offset=9 RinC (I'd probably buy the $400 (marked down) katana except I just spent a bit more than that on a Jkoo/Sino waki, etc order (tsuka re-build). Robert, IMHO, the aesthetics of the blade are deplorable. I've gotten a much better looking futasuji-hi grind, on a merely folded-steel DH blade with better activities, from Hanbon (for heaven's sakes!) for a lot less money, about 4 years ago. I'm not impressed with this.
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Post by phoule on Dec 8, 2021 15:48:06 GMT
....katana. Interesting because different style hamons are on different sides of the blade. My Shinshinto katana is that way too, a fancier hamon on one side of the blade and a less so on the other. Not sure why Japanese smiths did that....was it perhaps related to how some tsubas have a more and a less fancy side? Link... www.sinosword.com/christmas-sale.html#!/Christmas-Sale/c/124210164/offset=9 RinC (I'd probably buy the $400 (marked down) katana except I just spent a bit more than that on a Jkoo/Sino waki, etc order (tsuka re-build). Robert, IMHO, the aesthetics of the blade are deplorable. I've gotten a much better looking futasuji-hi grind, on a merely folded-steel DH blade with better activities, from Hanbon (for heaven's sakes!) for a lot less money, about 4 years ago. I'm not impressed with this. I wholeheartedly agree with this.
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Post by Stef on Dec 8, 2021 17:40:11 GMT
not even remotely worth the money. I rather get a ryansword at this point
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Post by mosinnagant on Dec 8, 2021 18:15:29 GMT
The "Soshu-Kitae" bamboo ko katana on sale looks way better.
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Post by phoule on Dec 8, 2021 18:36:18 GMT
The "Soshu-Kitae" bamboo ko katana on sale looks way better. You mean the soshu-kitae that has a hamon break showing an unhardened part?
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Post by mosinnagant on Dec 8, 2021 19:45:09 GMT
The "Soshu-Kitae" bamboo ko katana on sale looks way better. You mean the soshu-kitae that has a hamon break showing an unhardened part? Yes, compared to the "tamahagane" linked in the OP it looks way better.
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Post by Robert in California on Dec 16, 2021 12:50:05 GMT
"Robert, IMHO, the aesthetics of the blade are deplorable." Hi TS, A bit more detail please? You mean the much different hamons on each side of that $400 soshu kitae pig iron tamahagane katana? Or something else? Only thing that bothers me is that the rayskin on the tsuka are slabs instead of full wrap. What did I miss? price I can understand would be higher with the extra work involved in soshu kitae construction, regardless of the success. I have not bought soshu kitae from anyone since the risk of flaws of that much more complexity would be greater than for a sanmai or a kobuse, which I have bought. www.sinosword.com/christmas-sale.html#!/JKOO-Soshu-kitae-tamahagane-Bamboo-Katana/p/423400279/category=124210164
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Post by karl j on Dec 16, 2021 15:49:40 GMT
Not to speak for TreeSlicer, but...
You're asking him to elaborate.
Well:
The blades shape is awful, the shinogi ji is misproportioned, that has to be the worst attempt at a futasuji hi I have yet to see. The kissaki shape is poor, and I'll leave it at that. The polish is very bad, and the hamon appears to be an etched fake.
I could be more critical but I digress
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Post by treeslicer on Dec 16, 2021 16:29:18 GMT
Not to speak for TreeSlicer, but... You're asking him to elaborate. Well: The blades shape is awful, the shinogi ji is misproportioned, that has to be the worst attempt at a futasuji hi I have yet to see. The kissaki shape is poor, and I'll leave it at that. The polish is very bad, and the hamon appears to be an etched fake. I could be more critical but I digress The only point of disagreement here is that I believe that the hamon are real, but aesthetically lacking. There should be very obvious activities (if this blade is tamahagane quenched at a proper temperature), and the "notched" side is actually that peculiar Chinese "hitatsura", like nothing else on Earth, rather than authentic yahazu. The grooves in the attempt at a futasuji-hi are entirely too shallow.
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Post by Robert in California on Dec 16, 2021 18:56:37 GMT
Thank you Karl and TS, The double hi are not of a type I have experience with...they do look more shallow than the standard single bohi on my Jkoo/Sino's. I'll take a closer look at the kissaki, thanks. That ko-katana looks to be more active than that katana. Karl, I do think the hamon is real. I have a dozen or so Jkoo/Sino's that they said were DH and they all were...hamon's real. I had, long ago, a brand X katana, that had a fact hamon and so it ended up in the trash can. I do see that curious "bland" spot on the ko-katana. Think that is a tempering issue? Trick of the light? Polish flaw? Thanks, RinC
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Post by shepherd214 on Dec 17, 2021 4:40:51 GMT
Thank you Karl and TS, The double hi are not of a type I have experience with...they do look more shallow than the standard single bohi on my Jkoo/Sino's. I'll take a closer look at the kissaki, thanks. That ko-katana looks to be more active than that katana. Karl, I do think the hamon is real. I have a dozen or so Jkoo/Sino's that they said were DH and they all were...hamon's real. I had, long ago, a brand X katana, that had a fact hamon and so it ended up in the trash can. I do see that curious "bland" spot on the ko-katana. Think that is a tempering issue? Trick of the light? Polish flaw? Thanks, RinC It's not that the double Bo hi is shallow, if you look closer the double Hi runs off of the shinogi and into the primary bevel. It's not even straight. That would probably factor into the discounted price. The polish wouldn't be awful if it was simply a monosteel DH blade but for a tamahagane blade the activity and details of the steel are non existent. I don't think the blank spot in the hamon would be related to "tempering". I see you misuse that term all the time. Tempering is simply softening down the blade a bit after the hardening quenching process. It could be that some clay fell off during the quench which is very common, or the polish failed to to bring out the hamon there, or the steel in that area isn't very good quality folded steel and there's less carbon on that specific area meaning less hard and no hamon difference.
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Post by JH Lee on Dec 17, 2021 8:37:27 GMT
I still say the entire sword community would benefit if these outfits stopped this kind of shoddy nonsense and just focused all of their efforts into producing some decent fittings instead. They're aiming way above their level of ability with fancy laminations and whatever else when they clearly can't even get the basic details correct.
Unpopular opinion, I know. But I stand by it.
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Post by Arlequin on Dec 18, 2021 7:36:43 GMT
I still say the entire sword community would benefit if these outfits stopped this kind of shoddy nonsense and just focused all of their efforts into producing some decent fittings instead. They're aiming way above their level of ability with fancy laminations and whatever else when they clearly can't even get the basic details correct. Unpopular opinion, I know. But I stand by it. Hey, huawei seems to be able source slightly better parts, and it has paid off well for them that they are popular enough to have a backlog. Granted, there still no where the same level as koshirae from japan or custom craftsman, but it shows people are willing to pay for quality, I don't see why the others can't seem to follow suit.
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