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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 4, 2022 5:31:36 GMT
Simon no longer makes swords for his shop. he is no longer reachable only his new "manager". this is clear in the quality drop the ebay shop and the fact that the language used in correspondence is completely different. it appears that his business has been taken over or something has happened. so do not rely on the quality of Simons work or his honesty in the trade. although swordjp has nice blades do not buy with the confidence or reassurance you once had with Simon as they are not the same entity You are right, we bought Simon Lee's brand. But one point to correct is that our quality is much higher than previous Simon Lee, which Simon also agree. That's why when he want to sell his brand, he found us. He knows we woundn't let the reputation he used to have down.
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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 4, 2022 5:51:26 GMT
Ok, so I didn't want to leave you hanging. I have not yet cut with this one but I can answer the rest. Looseness of wrap: Initially, would say it is "fine" not the tightest. Looseness of tsuba: Nope. Looseness of any other fittings: Nope. Sharpness at the tip: Believe it or not, it's sharp there also. Not sure if they may have changed this from LC's interactions with them. Heat treat: Not sure yet. Overall aesthetics: I think it's pretty nicely done, essentially everywhere. The blade is quite impressive in person and it has quite a presence. Not a light/fast piece if that is what someone might be expecting. The model I chose was the "Mizutori" model : link
The only difference is that I specified a red copper habaki and black leather on the ito. The only red saya they had available had wooden fittings because they were out of horn, They discounted me $50 for that. Also, the menuki are different, they are the Liondog type. Some of the additions added some cost but it wasn't much if I am remembering right. There was an additional ups customs fee(tax fee?) though that was a little over 100$ so keep that in mind with the "free shipping" they might tell you. Thanks for your feedback. We are just coming to the international market and willing to hear more suggestions. That will help us to improve.
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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 4, 2022 6:00:32 GMT
i have ordered a custom sword and once it arrived, I will show the tip before my sharpening. Did you buy it from our Chinese website? Our products for the domestic market and the international market are different. Pictures may look the same.
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Post by Stef on Feb 5, 2022 12:07:03 GMT
Simon no longer makes swords for his shop. he is no longer reachable only his new "manager". this is clear in the quality drop the ebay shop and the fact that the language used in correspondence is completely different. it appears that his business has been taken over or something has happened. so do not rely on the quality of Simons work or his honesty in the trade. although swordjp has nice blades do not buy with the confidence or reassurance you once had with Simon as they are not the same entity You are right, we bought Simon Lee's brand. But one point to correct is that our quality is much higher than previous Simon Lee, which Simon also agree. That's why when he want to sell his brand, he found us. He knows we woundn't let the reputation he used to have down. Since you took over we have see nothing to suggest the quality has gone up Many pictures that had defects that were not clearly acknowledged like Simon used to Many people in various different groups and forums that have complained of quality How do you plan to sell "his product" if he isn't making it himself ? What made Simon special was that he had good prices, did a great job, and was very honest about defects or problems( example he polished my blade twice because it wasn't perfect ) Since you took over we have seen prices skyrocket to silly amounts, while still using the same cheap fuchi Kashia and tsuba. I must be said the blades look good but for the price...... lets say it is difficult to spend 1000usd plus on a seller that is not well established and hasn't garnered the reputation that others have. Perhaps you will prove us wrong and I will be corrected, and that would be a good thing as the market needs some honest and reliable sellers that can deliver good products and at a good price
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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 6, 2022 1:46:24 GMT
You are right, we bought Simon Lee's brand. But one point to correct is that our quality is much higher than previous Simon Lee, which Simon also agree. That's why when he want to sell his brand, he found us. He knows we woundn't let the reputation he used to have down. Since you took over we have see nothing to suggest the quality has gone up Many pictures that had defects that were not clearly acknowledged like Simon used to Many people in various different groups and forums that have complained of quality How do you plan to sell "his product" if he isn't making it himself ? What made Simon special was that he had good prices, did a great job, and was very honest about defects or problems( example he polished my blade twice because it wasn't perfect ) Since you took over we have seen prices skyrocket to silly amounts, while still using the same cheap fuchi Kashia and tsuba. I must be said the blades look good but for the price...... lets say it is difficult to spend 1000usd plus on a seller that is not well established and hasn't garnered the reputation that others have. Perhaps you will prove us wrong and I will be corrected, and that would be a good thing as the market needs some honest and reliable sellers that can deliver good products and at a good price You're ridiculous, we bought his brand but didn't use it, all the products use our Z-sey brand. You certainly don't see an improvement in quality if you haven't bought our products. And can you show me your so-called complaint? I'm curious about that, because as far as I know, no one has complained to us about quality problems till now. I'm sure you cannot provide it.
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Post by steveboy on Feb 6, 2022 4:14:17 GMT
You're ridiculous, we bought his brand but didn't use it, all the products use our Z-sey brand. You certainly don't see an improvement in quality if you haven't bought our products. And can you show me your so-called complaint? I'm curious about that, because as far as I know, no one has complained to us about quality problems till now. I'm sure you cannot provide it. From a purely PR standpoint, you might want to rethink this approach.
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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 6, 2022 4:20:53 GMT
You're ridiculous, we bought his brand but didn't use it, all the products use our Z-sey brand. You certainly don't see an improvement in quality if you haven't bought our products. And can you show me your so-called complaint? I'm curious about that, because as far as I know, no one has complained to us about quality problems till now. I'm sure you cannot provide it. From a purely PR standpoint, you might want to rethink this approach.
Good products don't need PR.
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Post by AJGBlack on Feb 6, 2022 4:40:43 GMT
From a purely PR standpoint, you might want to rethink this approach.
Good products don't need PR. No, but bad reactions people's posts do more harm than good. So good products don't need PR, but bad PR can damage a good product.
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Post by tera on Feb 6, 2022 4:47:24 GMT
To be fair, there have been negative assertions about the products in this thread, but no pictures or links to related product reviews posted to substantiate.
There is a saying, "Positive assertions require positive evidence." So, the burden on proof is on us to supply evidence of quality issues. The vendor could, at that time, make choices on how to address any instances of dissatisfaction.
As it is, I always consider it a good thing when a vendor chooses to engage with our community. I hope we can continue to do so with the mindset that a positive relationship benefits all parties, especially if trouble spots can be identified and addressed cooperatively
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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 6, 2022 5:09:37 GMT
Good products don't need PR. No, but bad reactions people's posts do more harm than good. So good products don't need PR, but bad PR can damage a good product. Maybe you are right. But for me, I think we are only responsible for making good products and providing good service, and I don't care about other thing. We won't do pr for defamation.I just want to be rough and easy, and there's no need to be polite to people like them.
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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 6, 2022 5:15:01 GMT
To be fair, there have been negative assertions about the products in this thread, but no pictures or links to related product reviews posted to substantiate. There is a saying, "Positive assertions require positive evidence." So, the burden on proof is on us to supply evidence of quality issues. The vendor could, at that time, make choices on how to address any instances of dissatisfaction. As it is, I always consider it a good thing when a vendor chooses to engage with out community. I hope we can continue to do so with the mindset that a positive relationship benefits all parties, especially if trouble spots can be identified and addressed cooperatively Yes, that's what I want to say too.
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Post by steveboy on Feb 6, 2022 8:23:14 GMT
From a purely PR standpoint, you might want to rethink this approach.
Good products don't need PR. Nnnyyyeeeooowww!
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Post by steveboy on Feb 6, 2022 8:26:44 GMT
To be fair, there have been negative assertions about the products in this thread, but no pictures or links to related product reviews posted to substantiate. There is a saying, "Positive assertions require positive evidence." So, the burden on proof is on us to supply evidence of quality issues. The vendor could, at that time, make choices on how to address any instances of dissatisfaction. As it is, I always consider it a good thing when a vendor chooses to engage with out community. I hope we can continue to do so with the mindset that a positive relationship benefits all parties, especially if trouble spots can be identified and addressed cooperatively Wholly irrelevant to the quality of the sword is the approach that opens -- opens -- with "you're ridiculous." It's instantly off-putting, does nothing to reassure a consumer about quality, and is about as basic a violation of PR 101 as it can be, tantamount to poking someone in the eye when they say they don't like your shirt.
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Post by steveboy on Feb 6, 2022 8:32:06 GMT
No, but bad reactions people's posts do more harm than good. So good products don't need PR, but bad PR can damage a good product. Maybe you are right. But for me, I think we are only responsible for making good products and providing good service, and I don't care about other thing. We won't do pr for defamation.I just want to be rough and easy, and there's no need to be polite to people like them. See, you don't think good things need PR, but you don't seem to understand that potentially good things are harmed by bad PR, and what people are trying to tell you is that what you are providing here is bad PR. You aren't fooling anyone by claiming that you don't care, because here you are.
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Post by Stef on Feb 6, 2022 9:24:18 GMT
Since you took over we have see nothing to suggest the quality has gone up Many pictures that had defects that were not clearly acknowledged like Simon used to Many people in various different groups and forums that have complained of quality How do you plan to sell "his product" if he isn't making it himself ? What made Simon special was that he had good prices, did a great job, and was very honest about defects or problems( example he polished my blade twice because it wasn't perfect ) Since you took over we have seen prices skyrocket to silly amounts, while still using the same cheap fuchi Kashia and tsuba. I must be said the blades look good but for the price...... lets say it is difficult to spend 1000usd plus on a seller that is not well established and hasn't garnered the reputation that others have. Perhaps you will prove us wrong and I will be corrected, and that would be a good thing as the market needs some honest and reliable sellers that can deliver good products and at a good price You're ridiculous, we bought his brand but didn't use it, all the products use our Z-sey brand. You certainly don't see an improvement in quality if you haven't bought our products. And can you show me your so-called complaint? I'm curious about that, because as far as I know, no one has complained to us about quality problems till now. I'm sure you cannot provide it. Given that all relevant picture's are no longer available I will leave my opinion as that, just my opinion. And given that I have no vendetta I wont scroll through countless posts to find anything. I hope you will produce what you say and I hope I will be proven wrong and eat my words. we need good producers and honestly priced swords to match huawei
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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 6, 2022 10:19:26 GMT
To be fair, there have been negative assertions about the products in this thread, but no pictures or links to related product reviews posted to substantiate. There is a saying, "Positive assertions require positive evidence." So, the burden on proof is on us to supply evidence of quality issues. The vendor could, at that time, make choices on how to address any instances of dissatisfaction. As it is, I always consider it a good thing when a vendor chooses to engage with out community. I hope we can continue to do so with the mindset that a positive relationship benefits all parties, especially if trouble spots can be identified and addressed cooperatively Wholly irrelevant to the quality of the sword is the approach that opens -- opens -- with "you're ridiculous." It's instantly off-putting, does nothing to reassure a consumer about quality, and is about as basic a violation of PR 101 as it can be, tantamount to poking someone in the eye when they say they don't like your shirt. Do you think "defamation" and "dislike" mean the same thing? I think you should go back to school. Don't reply to me. Talking to you need me to reduce my IQ.
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Post by Z-Sey on Feb 6, 2022 10:32:07 GMT
You're ridiculous, we bought his brand but didn't use it, all the products use our Z-sey brand. You certainly don't see an improvement in quality if you haven't bought our products. And can you show me your so-called complaint? I'm curious about that, because as far as I know, no one has complained to us about quality problems till now. I'm sure you cannot provide it. Given that all relevant picture's are no longer available I will leave my opinion as that, just my opinion. And given that I have no vendetta I wont scroll through countless posts to find anything. I hope you will produce what you say and I hope I will be proven wrong and eat my words. we need good producers and honestly priced swords to match huawei honest? look at yourself
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Post by eastman on Feb 6, 2022 16:30:08 GMT
If you are going to be this confrontational in the forums, that will convince readers that you will be even worse to deal with when there is a problem.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Feb 6, 2022 16:47:57 GMT
If you are going to be this confrontational in the forums, that will convince readers that you will be even worse to deal with when there is a problem. Already convinced me.
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Post by jyamada on Feb 6, 2022 17:03:11 GMT
If you are going to be this confrontational in the forums, that will convince readers that you will be even worse to deal with when there is a problem. This is good advice.
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