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Post by julio_corradi on Oct 18, 2021 9:59:06 GMT
i thinking of buying some some fo these tod cutler branded knives? does anyone know where these are made ?
i emailed the seller but no reply. tods main knives look to be made all in the uk in his workshop but the other the tod cutler branded items it seems unclear, anyone have any idea?, also whats exprience on the quality of these? some models look far better than others.
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Post by tensho on Oct 18, 2021 15:13:29 GMT
I can't comment on where they're made, but they're definitely not made by Tod.
As to the fit and finish, I think you're getting a great deal for the price. But if you're looking for quality fit and finish you may be disappointed. I have a Dudgeon dagger and although the blade is phenomenal on it, the sheath is mis-cut and doesn't seat fully, the hilt looks like it was churned out very quickly, lots of excess glue in places(and also on the blade when I got it)
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Post by julio_corradi on Oct 18, 2021 21:54:05 GMT
I can't comment on where they're made, but they're definitely not made by Tod. As to the fit and finish, I think you're getting a great deal for the price. But if you're looking for quality fit and finish you may be disappointed. I have a Dudgeon dagger and although the blade is phenomenal on it, the sheath is mis-cut and doesn't seat fully, the hilt looks like it was churned out very quickly, lots of excess glue in places(and also on the blade when I got it) yeah friend of mine had a couple of them, the bauernwehr and the blade is very thick and boorly shaped, the nagle is also in the wrong location rendeirng it useless. he reground it and it was exceptionally soft softer than a machete.. so below 45 rockwell. he was able to file it with to much ease but when the blade was sharpened it was far to soft and the edge just rolled on cutting a little dry wood, he also had the issue of the sheaths not fitting the blades and the sheath seemed an afterthought. he also got a bollock dagger and the handle on that is very nice and accurate as is its dimensions and has a very close proximity to the originals. better so than many others. but the sheath is lacking in quality and design. sort of torn in buying one as some look very good in their accuracy in shape and dimensions and others look not so good. i may get a bollock dagger the one i saw loked good.. although if its as soft as the bauernwehr id be dissapointed if you stabbed a green coconut and it folded like a banana. still the thickness about 8-8.5mm and then handle and blade shapes are very accurate atleast for the semprinis. i found this being discussed on reddit and a user mentioned this - www.reddit.com/r/SWORDS/comments/ku0meg/my_tod_cutler_daggers_have_accumulated_into_a/"I think I read on the SBG Facebook group a bit ago that the Tod Cutler brand daggers are made in China and assembled at his workshop in England. That and his brass-capped bollock dagger are the next ones on my list! Love the look of that baselard blade."id hope theyer not made in china, and they dont look like anything the chiense would make, but if they are he needs to tell customers when they ask atleast. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 22:19:07 GMT
He does outsource blades.
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Post by julio_corradi on Oct 19, 2021 21:57:53 GMT
He does outsource blades. yeah i guess he does but if theyer not made in the u.k. where is he making them.. as for these prices you can get a product from a maker in eastern europe of a good quality. and if its just hes buying the blades and parts form hungary, czech ect it woudlnt harm any says to tell people this after al this is were most of the good reproductions and such products come from anyway, after all these regions have big reenactment communities locally that drive this business. but if its india or something it would be pretty dissapointing, especially after the totally faliure of the edge of that messer that i saw. was soft enough you could just dress the edge with the bakc of a pukko blade.. big dents all up it. still the bollock shapes are pretty good looking.. his scottish dirk looks very attractive. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 23:01:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 2:01:29 GMT
I have five daggers from the Tod Cutler range. All of them are good quality.
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Post by julio_corradi on Oct 20, 2021 2:53:32 GMT
I have five daggers from the Tod Cutler range. All of them are good quality. nice. but the sheaths i see are not quality for the price.. either english made or not.. and .. im skeptical about their origins and thier hadness.. as i said green wood bowing the edge.. the dagger shapes look nice though. |
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Post by julio_corradi on Oct 20, 2021 2:54:36 GMT
thew promlem is celar ythis..w e ar eona buyers forum and im asking opinions and informaiton about buying these.. there is lot sof others i wona nd buy too .. but these ones are specifically the one sim asking about.. otherwise the whole nature of this thread would be irrelivent |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 12:18:05 GMT
OK, let's settle this: The Tod Cutler line of daggers are made in China.
I don't believe Tod has ever concealed this from the public. If you ask him, he will tell you. He has disclosed this in some of his promotional videos on YouTube. The blades are made in China to his specifications and he assembles them in the UK. This is how he is able to keep the prices low.
Now, if you feel he ought to disclose this up front in the actual listings for the items, that's another matter.
I own or have owned the following: 1. Sheffield trade knife, 2. Scottish dirk, 3. Irish Skean, 4. Bronze handled Scottish dirk, 5. 15th century rondel dagger.
All five daggers have decent blades for the price. Are there secondary edge bevels? Yes. Is the fit and finish perfect? No. These are meant to be budget blades and, as such, they are not perfect. They all have small cosmetic defects that are common in most budget lines regardless of make.
The sheaths are decent quality for the price. I have one sheath I am unhappy with and it's because I don't like the color. Another sheath had some leather that was a bit stiff, but some leather conditioner sorted that out. The most recent purchase I made from him was the bronze handled Scottish dirk, and I did notice the quality of the leather on that piece is greatly improved over previous purchases.
It's worth noting that Tod stands by his work and is amenable to returns if the item is faulty. If you ever have real problems with these items, I would contact him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 20:41:46 GMT
I have no complaints about the one I purchased from him (dot and circle bollock dagger). It arrived from UK (shipped to
CONUS) in just two or three days. Ended up being faster shipping that most local stuff I buy.
The fit and finish were near perfect. Good sharpening job. Good packaging. No complaints.
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Post by unistat76 on Oct 21, 2021 1:47:07 GMT
I also have no complaints with my quillon dagger. It is exactly as shown in the pictures on the website. Fit and finish were fine for the price point, maybe better than an equivalent outdoors (camping and bushcraft) type knife.
Shipping from th UK to the US was quick, just a week or so. Time in US customs to me was about 4 months...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 22:02:15 GMT
Open and shut case. To me at least.
On a completely unrelated note, which has absolutely no basis for being in this thread at all, I want to ask Brother Nathaniel how those gauntlets worked out. Brother Nath, you stated one doesn't need a weapon wearing a pair of these, basically. Just punch one time, and the opponent is mortally wounded or dead.
How did those work out? Wanted a review.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 22:43:00 GMT
Open and shut case. To me at least. On a completely unrelated note, which has absolutely no basis for being in this thread at all, I want to ask Brother Nathaniel how those gauntlets worked out. Brother Nath, you stated one doesn't need a weapon wearing a pair of these, basically. Just punch one time, and the opponent is mortally wounded or dead. How did those work out? Wanted a review. So basically when it comes to limb armor: helmets, gauntlets, etc. There is a deadliness all on their own. It is not purely a steel shell that you need to get around. An arcing, downward hammer fist or straight punch performed properly would probably deform an unarmored face into a bloody mess. You don't really appreciate this until you get a good pair of gauntlets. A headbutt with a helmet such as my Barbute would do the same, maybe worse. I imagine all of the opponent's front teeth being knocked out at a minimum. I feel stupid for not considering them important enough to get lol. I always figured I would just hide behind my shield, but that sounds dope |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 0:44:36 GMT
I think it is dope.
Now that I've had the privilege/misery of wearing some period armor, I can say that it fascinates me even more. Putting this stuff on is taking on risk of drowning if one falls over in 6" of liquid. Putting this stuff on, one could fall on an enemy and kill them. Putting this stuff on and maintaining balance, punching straight, one could kill an enemy outright.
I had no idea. It's that drastic.
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Post by ihutch1 on Oct 26, 2021 9:58:05 GMT
You mentioned other eastern European makers that offer similar daggers for the price. Can you link any?
Some of the ones here look interesting, especially the baselards and bauernwehr. 'H' baselard is $168 vs $132 for Tod (sharp, ~30cm).
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