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Post by pgandy on Aug 29, 2021 18:48:44 GMT
I’ve been giving the torch more thought and I think it will be less effective than I originally thought as dogs seem to rely strongly on the sense of smell and hearing. I’ve had them get active behind a closed barrier when they couldn't see me. But it’s worth a try.
Also I’ve used a BB pistol with excellent results. It was a Crosman 1377. I just checked Amazon and it looks like that has been replaced with P1377BR. I was an avid bicycle rider and attracted dogs trying to make sport with me. At times they came alarmingly close to my front wheel and I was afraid they’d flip me. I had tried a number things that the ‘experts’ in the books and magazines recommended with only limited success. That worked every time. The next best thing was a brick bat. I had the extra momentum of the bike in that case.
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Post by Ari L. on Aug 29, 2021 18:50:07 GMT
PepperSpray is great against most mammals, and can even be used as a warning ‘area of denial’ as well as a good ol blast to the face. Besides causing lots of pain, capsaicin causes mucus membrane swelling and mucus production making it difficult to see and breath. I high recommend getting a second canister, going out to a field somewhere and having a test spray to get a feel for both the stream and any back blast. Also contrary to the millions of home remedies, the best cure seems to be flushing with lots of running water and cleaning contaminated items with soap and hot water, or rubbing alcohol.
I’ve always thought a plastic/vinyl top sided umbrella with pepper spray tip would make a great wild/feral animal defensive tool, but that probably falls into some sort of odd weapon law.
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Post by Lord Newport on Aug 30, 2021 0:13:02 GMT
I’ve been giving the torch more thought and I think it will be less effective than I originally thought as dogs seem to rely strongly on the sense of smell and hearing. I’ve had them get active behind a closed barrier when they couldn't see me. But it’s worth a try. Also I’ve used a BB pistol with excellent results. It was a Crosman 1377. I just checked Amazon and it looks like that has been replaced with P1377BR. I was an avid bicycle rider and attracted dogs trying to make sport with me. At times they came alarmingly close to my front wheel and I was afraid they’d flip me. I had tried a number things that the ‘experts’ in the books and magazines recommended with only limited success. That worked every time. The next best thing was a brick bat. I had the extra momentum of the bike in that case. In America, some states more than others, using a bb pistol on the street can get you shot...
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Post by RufusScorpius on Aug 30, 2021 0:24:15 GMT
Defense against a dog? I would carry a tennis ball and a slice of bologna. Works on 99% of dogs worldwide. ^^^^ Nailed it! 
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Post by ghost on Aug 30, 2021 14:31:59 GMT
edc a spydie civilian and matriarch w/ emerson wave but often leave the house with bear spray + pepper spray bear spray is quite light and small, around the size of a can of red bull btw
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Aug 30, 2021 15:34:55 GMT
My thought with the flashlight is to make the dog pause. If it were already charging, you'd be outta luck.
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Post by pgandy on Aug 30, 2021 18:25:23 GMT
I’ve also have used a blow pipe. I used a CS 4’ pipe doubling it as a walking stick. But that was mainly a disguise because if I needed it as such and applied much lateral pressure I’m sure it would have collapsed. When CS came out with their magnum I dropped the old one like a hot potato. That one was quite durable and works well as a walking stick, mostly for feeling my way at night avoiding holes. For dogs when walking down the mountain at night I used homemade darts from 3” nails that I had modified by replacing the manufacturer’s point with a long slender sloping polished convex one. I designed them not to kill but inflect pain. I preferred those to its little brother a 2½” nail. Got to use it one night. There was a pack of three dogs all laying until I passed. Then one got up and came from behind. When I turned around he stopped and called to his buddies, one of which got up but stayed in place as though to follow the events before deciding which way to go. As for the threatening dog, I removed my muzzle and breech covers, the dart was preloaded. He stood there in a threatening manner but came no closer. No doubt he would have if a turned my back. I let fly at 15’, about maximum range that I’d considered when practicing. It was too dark to spot the shot but the dog ran in two circles making no noise stopping to face my again. But the fight in him had gone, didn’t even come back when I turned my back. I used its big brother, a 2 m pipe that I made, on many a trash raiding dog using stun darts. That pipe seemed like a Cadillac when compared to the CS, but the 4' CS is much handier. But the government has taken action and those feral dogs no longer exist, at least not in my parts. I still hear occasionaly on the news someone getting attacked but that has been reduced. I think what I mostly hear now are from domestic dogs getting out of control.
Reading this thread what I’m seeing is mostly from people theorizing on what they might use in the event. I’ve been there and done that and no dog has gotten a piece of me, yet. I’ve used a variety of weapons on dogs and pieces of me are missing but not by any dog.
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Post by shotokan on Aug 30, 2021 19:32:40 GMT
I carry a Glock 43. Thank God I have never had to use it.
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Post by Lord Newport on Aug 30, 2021 19:35:32 GMT
I carry a Glock 43. Thank God I have never had to use it. Happily I too can legally carry a concealed handgun... usually a HK VP9sk but I would hate to have to use it on a dog left uncontrolled by an irresponsible, stupid owner.
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Post by shotokan on Aug 30, 2021 23:45:54 GMT
I carry a Glock 43. Thank God I have never had to use it. Happily I too can legally carry a concealed handgun... usually a HK VP9sk but I would hate to have to use it on a dog left uncontrolled by an irresponsible, stupid owner. Absolutely. A lot of times the dogs behavior, aggressive demeanor, etc. are a direct result of the owner's irresponsibility. I'd hate to end an animals life but I have seen many dog bites and attacks in the ER... they ain't pretty and it won't be me having to seek medical care.
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Post by bebut on Sept 4, 2021 21:10:37 GMT
Guard dogs are the worst by far. they have been brutalised by their owners, beaten, chained up, left in the sun, etc. When they get loose they have no residual love for anything. Regular dogs in Latin America have been trained, or maybe you could just call it street savvy. You just have to bend down and pick up a rock and they will turn tail and run. No rocks? Just bend down and pick up an imaginary rock. Street dogs are not sticklers for details.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 4, 2021 23:07:39 GMT
I’ve noticed that. But when there is more than one they get more aggressive. On several occasions the leader will come at me while at least one in the pack stands at the ready as though to see which way things go before committing and most of the others are more passive and just watch but no doubt will join in if things are going their way. Sometimes no pack and a single dog will come at me. But yeah, they are pretty street smart and just keep their distance period. I’ve thrown rocks but yet hit my first dog. They are experts at dodging, but afterwards lose interest in me.
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Post by bladebob on May 19, 2022 23:38:09 GMT
Guard dogs are the worst by far. they have been brutalised by their owners, beaten, chained up, left in the sun, etc. When they get loose they have no residual love for anything. Regular dogs in Latin America have been trained, or maybe you could just call it street savvy. You just have to bend down and pick up a rock and they will turn tail and run. No rocks? Just bend down and pick up an imaginary rock. Street dogs are not sticklers for details. Slightly funny, if you ask me, but it works. But at the same time, those dogs won't put up enough of a problem to worth the work of getting the rock. I carry a pocket knife and a 2 foot, 1 inch dowel when I walk. I want to replace it with something a bit heavier. Oak, maybe. I like the Idea of a small, light stick. I've never had to use it yet, but I've gotten close a few times.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 20, 2022 15:28:34 GMT
I honestly think pepper spray/bear mace is the best solution for dealing with an aggressive canine. You can find dispensers which are easy to pocket/carry, and they will usually dissuade even the most determined doggos. Not only will a snoot full of capsaicin convince a bitey terrier that you aren't worth the bother, but it's also a nonlethal solution to a scenario involving at least one participant who is incapable of logically understanding the stakes.
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Post by tera on May 20, 2022 15:29:43 GMT
For 2 foot length, maybe ratan. Light, but fast and stings like the dickens. For a more traditional walking stick, maybe a Japanese white oak jo?
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Post by bladebob on May 21, 2022 4:17:35 GMT
Haven't thought of that. I used to cary a "staff" that I picked out of the bush near my house. I moved a few years ago, and haven't got a good one since then. I like having the heft of an oak or similar hardwood, but I'm not yet willing to go buy something.
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Post by pgandy on May 21, 2022 16:57:30 GMT
Living in Centro America I’ve become well experienced with dog attacks. I carried a 5’ and a 5½’ bo and am not going to advise against a staff, but in the end I decided that wasn’t for me. But everyone’s case is different. My staffs were of rattan and oak. I preferred the oak. You will need a rubber tip such as on a cane or crutch at one end if you come in contact pavement such as a sidewalk and street as they will soon destroy an unprotected tip. Besides the clak, clak, clak of the unprotected tip drove me up the wall. On the downside I found carrying a staff on a bus and worse yet a taxi was not the most comfortable. A 36/37” cane works fine for me. One designed for the job and not the common drug store variety. I’ve beaten dogs away with them and after learning more how to persuade a dog to reconsider before actually attacking. I’ve also fought off dogs with a sword cane. An umbrella is also great. By pointing at the dog and opening and closing it rapidly will work great. Advancing and being vocal at the same time won’t hurt either. I carried a small one that fitted into my back pack, and still do for the rain. For a while I carried throwing stars then decided if I can’t hit with a rock, what would be my chances with those other using a 3 bladed one in my hand after attacked? I see many people suggest tear gas. I carried for a while, more for people than dogs though, but stopped. I carried that made by CS, but since another company has bought the rights. It would be effective but what the arm chair experts don’t realize; water weakens the effects which is not good during rainy season. I think most know about the wind factor but don’t realize even after spraying and the air appears clear there is a residual effect still there that’s best not to get involved in. I noticed that during Lynn Thompson’s demos involving a person that he continually back away from his aggressor, not the thing to do in a dog attack. I thought at first it was to give the gas time to take effect, maybe so, but at the same time he was avoiding the residual effect.
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Post by treeslicer on May 22, 2022 1:16:17 GMT
A small container of aerosol bear spray is an excellent way to protect yourself......... I prefer to carry something which could liquefy enough bear to fill a few liter cans with (oh, not that sort of bear spray?  ). I habitually live in rural areas where I never get hassled about such things, and feral dogs (dumped by city dwellers) are a recurrent problem. My advice is to live where there's larger properties and fewer neighbors.
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Post by exeter on May 24, 2022 20:25:47 GMT
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Post by pgandy on May 24, 2022 22:08:55 GMT
I’ll stick with my canes I’ve had too many successful encounters with them to trade for something else.
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