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Post by joe_meadmaker on May 18, 2021 4:00:01 GMT
There was some interest in the other thread I started, so I'll drop this here too. I'm doing some experimentation on the damage that can be caused by stones thrown from a sling. Although I will mention that the stones in this video are substantially larger than what would be considered a "normal" sling projectile. This video is the first of a few that I have planned. But the results have brought up some other ideas, so there could be more tests coming as well.
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Post by karmasoft on May 18, 2021 20:30:17 GMT
Fantastic stuff. That second throw - dang.
I chuckle thinking of you sitting around a campfire with GOT Wildlings explaining stone velocity per second.
Would be curious to see lighter stone at greater distance.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on May 19, 2021 3:17:16 GMT
Lol! Well, we need to know what kind of momentum the rocks need to be to bring down the wall. There will likely be more tests with other stones and targets once I have all the stuff done with the big ones.
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Post by demonskull on May 19, 2021 12:34:52 GMT
Nice video ! Have you tried various weight egg sinkers ? They are close in shape to roman sling bullets.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on May 19, 2021 18:20:44 GMT
Thanks!
No, haven't used egg sinkers as projectiles before. Although there will be something very similar coming eventually. Way back when I used to make wooden swords, some of the larger ones were very tip heavy. So I hollowed out the pommels and filled them with lead. I still have a bunch of lead ingots left over from those days. When I get a chance, I'm going to build some biconical molds and make some lead glandes.
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Post by Scott on May 20, 2021 1:07:06 GMT
Thanks for posting this, it's interesting to see the difference in the effect with the different weight stones. Was there much difference in slinging them?
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Post by joe_meadmaker on May 20, 2021 20:14:51 GMT
There's quite a bit of difference. First thing to mention, when just slinging normally I usually have a projectile in the range of 3.5 - 5 oz. So all these stones are way heavier than normal. And the heavier ones do force me to change the throwing motion.
If you look at the first stone in the video, you can see that my shoulders rotate, and then the throwing arm follows through (similar to the pitching motion in baseball). But when I get to the heavier stones later on in the video, the throwing arm stays in line with the shoulders. There is just too much weight for the arm to manage by itself. With this method it becomes more like a discus throw, but without the whole body spinning around.
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Post by notthesharpest on May 29, 2021 1:58:05 GMT
Thanks very much for your videos - they were great.
I made a sling as a kid based on a drawing in one of the outdoorsman's manuals I found in the county library. With it, I could throw one of the rocks from Mom's rock garden (sizable quartz, egg-shaped rocks) almost as far as I could shoot a target arrow from my 45 lb draw-weight re-curve bow. Since then, I have always been amazed at how simple, and how powerful, slings are.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on May 29, 2021 2:38:01 GMT
Thanks man! I appreciate it.
Totally agree. A very underestimated weapon. Although I think a big part of that is there's just not a lot of slingers out there, so exposure is very limited.
There is definitely something about the simplicity, combined with the difficulty to use it well, that I find intriguing.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 13, 2021 23:14:25 GMT
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 20, 2021 22:44:43 GMT
Distance slinging Part 2 has been posted.
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Post by Murffy on Jun 21, 2021 16:16:37 GMT
Interesting. Historically, did slingers used large stones in battle? I imagine it would suck to have those things falling in on you but the range would be pretty short for battle purposes, I'm thinking.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 22, 2021 0:08:38 GMT
Unfortunately the only answer I can give on that is possibly. There are plenty of records of slings being used, but nothing I'm aware of about very large projectiles specifically. It's one of those things that I have little doubt it happened on occasion, but not regularly enough to get much recognition. That being said, what initially sparked my interest in this was an image that was brought to my attention from a 15th century manuscript. Here's a link: ica.themorgan.org/manuscript/page/13/147009. On the left you can see a soldier holding a pretty large sling with a big stone in it. Like any other picture from the medieval period, there's no way to know for certain if this is an accurate representation or just an artist's interpretation. But it got me interested in trying to sling some really big stones, and also using two hands (as shown of the slinger in the image). Before the big stones, I did a couple videos where I tested out some different methods of holding and using a sling with two hands. On the topic of effectiveness, the range does get much more limited than with smaller projectiles. But the impact force is immensely greater. As with archers, I think it could be very effective against a close range charge. The longest throw I had was just over the 50 meter mark. I would have no doubts that a trained soldier could easily do twice that distance, and quite possibly three times or more. That's going to be a devastating hit, even against an armored opponent. The technique could also be used for more height or distance if throwing over a wall. I have one more (planned) video with the big stones. It's going to be along a similar line to the first and include some more impact testing.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Aug 7, 2021 15:43:46 GMT
More impact testing with a thicker target.
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Post by elbufo on Aug 7, 2021 17:26:20 GMT
In my younger days I played with slings. I found that standing 90 degrees from the target and spinning the sling one time while rotating the body toward the target and releasing when every thing lined up generated a much higher velocity, as well as better accuracy once you get it down pat.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Aug 7, 2021 18:54:26 GMT
100% agree. That style is sometimes called pirouette. Definitely produces a lot of power.
I've tried it on a few occasions, but unfortunately I'm still at the point where a target hit is pretty much random. That's why I didn't use it in this video. At some point I'm going to dedicate some time to it with the hope of doing a side-by-side comparison of the different styles.
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