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Post by Sullivan on Apr 19, 2021 22:39:47 GMT
Hey guys, so it looks like I may be joining the ranks of those commissioning special projects from Purna Darnal at GGK. I’m hoping for general comments on the design, but also advice on whether you think the design would be best in the hands of the illustrious Purna, or the maker of Balaur Arms, who’s also looked at the design and said he would do it. I love some of the projects that Purna has done here, and on the other hand Shahzeb has a lot of experience with Euro style swords and did a bang-up job on his Kriegsmesser, too. I am still leaning Purna because of the glowing testimonials he’s gotten, but welcome any input. Anyways, here’s the design:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 0:12:49 GMT
REALLY nice sketch. Well done. I hope this work out for you.
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Post by Arlequin on Apr 20, 2021 0:48:20 GMT
Hey guys, so it looks like I may be joining the ranks of those commissioning special projects from Purna Darnal at GGK. I’m hoping for general comments on the design, but also advice on whether you think the design would be best in the hands of the illustrious Purna, or the maker of Balaur Arms, who’s also looked at the design and said he would do it. I love some of the projects that Purna has done here, and on the other hand Shahzeb has a lot of experience with Euro style swords and did a bang-up job on his Kriegsmesser, too. I am still leaning Purna because of the glowing testimonials he’s gotten, but welcome any input. Anyways, here’s the design: really nice design, I may "re-appropriate" your sketch for my own ggk commision later in the year lol
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Post by Sullivan on Apr 20, 2021 0:58:57 GMT
The Levin Lance Just the man I was looking to hear from, and I thank you. I will definitely get back to everyone as things unfold. I have an estimate from Balaur and will soon get one from Purna. @lebleuchevalier Another whose input I was hoping for. Thank you, I’m glad you approve. Arlequin Oh, I’d love that. I’m glad you like the design, absolutely feel free to use it as a base to tweak to your tastes or commission it as is. No higher praise.
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Post by Arlequin on Apr 20, 2021 4:51:10 GMT
The Levin Lance Just the man I was looking to hear from, and I thank you. I will definitely get back to everyone as things unfold. I have an estimate from Balaur and will soon get one from Purna. @lebleuchevalier Another whose input I was hoping for. Thank you, I’m glad you approve. Arlequin Oh, I’d love that. I’m glad you like the design, absolutely feel free to use it as a base to tweak to your tastes or commission it as is. No higher praise. Thank, it reminds me much of pic related, was an attractive sword but the blade quality and handling left much to be desired
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Post by Kane Shen on Apr 21, 2021 1:57:34 GMT
Hey guys, so it looks like I may be joining the ranks of those commissioning special projects from Purna Darnal at GGK. I’m hoping for general comments on the design, but also advice on whether you think the design would be best in the hands of the illustrious Purna, or the maker of Balaur Arms, who’s also looked at the design and said he would do it. I love some of the projects that Purna has done here, and on the other hand Shahzeb has a lot of experience with Euro style swords and did a bang-up job on his Kriegsmesser, too. I am still leaning Purna because of the glowing testimonials he’s gotten, but welcome any input. Anyways, here’s the design: Purna can definitely implement this design. Alternatively you can order a Gustav from Landsknecht Emporium. The final cost would be roughly the same--around 500 dollars. Purna would be able to ship it in a few weeks. You will have to wait for many months (8-12 last I heard) for LE to catch up though.
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Post by Kane Shen on Apr 21, 2021 2:00:33 GMT
The Levin Lance Just the man I was looking to hear from, and I thank you. I will definitely get back to everyone as things unfold. I have an estimate from Balaur and will soon get one from Purna. @lebleuchevalier Another whose input I was hoping for. Thank you, I’m glad you approve. Arlequin Oh, I’d love that. I’m glad you like the design, absolutely feel free to use it as a base to tweak to your tastes or commission it as is. No higher praise. Thank, it reminds me much of pic related, was an attractive sword but the blade quality and handling left much to be desired
I have an upcoming review video comparing the Landsknecht Emporium Gustav to the Cold Steel MMA messer. The Cold Steel MMA messer is a great choice for under $200. At least the one I got has great handling: PoB at 2", distally tapered from 4-2.8mm, weighs 2lbs. The factory edge is also razor sharp. The grip is quite comfortable, too. Quite a surprise really.
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Post by Sullivan on Apr 21, 2021 3:33:53 GMT
Yeah, Kane Shen , I considered the Gustav for quite some time. My “Wanted” thread for one in the classifieds it still up, actually... In the end though, as much as I love the Gustav design as well- for the amount of time, the price, and knowing that I had a specific design I wanted to see done- I went with Purna. He got my go-ahead yesterday. Purna sent me his version of the drawing back, I tweaked it one final time, and after we discussed the wood/ pin/ general component options, he’s started making it. Very excited for this, and Purna has been every bit as great to work with as reported. The Levin Lance I ended up going with him because of everyone’s glowing testimonials and my appreciation of his “take all comers” attitude. I really just love watching him try new things and improve as an overall blade-smith. Especially with projects such as yours, Kane’s, etc. Purna’s initial sketch: My last tweak: Purna begins smithing: Also appears as though Purna is making someone a triple fullered Long(-er if not “Long)Sword. I for one can’t wait to see that, either.
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Post by Sullivan on Apr 21, 2021 3:57:49 GMT
Thank, it reminds me much of pic related, was an attractive sword but the blade quality and handling left much to be desired
Ah, that’s unfortunate that you weren’t satisfied with the MAA Messer, I’ve usually heard good things about that like Kane just said. I hadn’t however noticed until recently that it has pretty atypical design for a Messer (though I’m not sure it precludes it from qualifying as a Messer necessarily) in that the hilt seems held together by compression from the nut at the pommel? Instead of knife-style-pins/ rods/ rivets like archetypal messers. Was is that it was balanced too close to the hand? Or the blade was too thin? Or just general craftsmanship? I’d given that CS Messer a lot of consideration before choosing to just go ahead with this project. On another note, my design was inspired by quite a few pieces I’ve seen. The aforementioned Landsknecht Emporium Gustav, some contemporary customs & antiques, examples in paintings, etc. Stuff like this: Attachments:
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Post by Kane Shen on Apr 21, 2021 4:32:50 GMT
Yeah, Kane Shen , I considered the Gustav for quite some time. My “Wanted” thread for one in the classifieds it still up, actually... In the end though, as much as I love the Gustav design as well- for the amount of time, the price, and knowing that I had a specific design I wanted to see done- I went with Purna. He got my go-ahead yesterday. Purna sent me his version of the drawing back, I tweaked it one final time, and after we discussed the wood/ pin/ general component options, he’s started making it. Very excited for this, and Purna has been every bit as great to work with as reported. The Levin Lance I ended up going with him because of everyone’s glowing testimonials and my appreciation of his “take all comers” attitude. I really just love watching him try new things and improve as an overall blade-smith. Especially with projects such as yours, Kane’s, etc. Also appears as though Purna is making someone a triple fullered Long(-er if not “Long)Sword. I for one can’t wait to see that, either. Great choice! Can't wait to see the progress and end result! Would be interested to see that tri-fullered longsword, too!
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Apr 21, 2021 20:08:05 GMT
Nice looking blade you got going Sullivan :) you made a great choice in Purna.
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Post by Arlequin on Apr 21, 2021 20:51:57 GMT
Also appears as though Purna is making someone a triple fullered Long(-er if not “Long)Sword. I for one can’t wait to see that, either. Oooooh I hope it gets posted here, I want to commision an arming sword design but also want him to get some more practice with double edges first because the Shape I have is a little bit intricate.
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Post by Dandelion on Apr 21, 2021 21:20:35 GMT
Hey guys, so it looks like I may be joining the ranks of those commissioning special projects from Purna Darnal at GGK. I’m hoping for general comments on the design, but also advice on whether you think the design would be best in the hands of the illustrious Purna, or the maker of Balaur Arms, who’s also looked at the design and said he would do it. I love some of the projects that Purna has done here, and on the other hand Shahzeb has a lot of experience with Euro style swords and did a bang-up job on his Kriegsmesser, too. I am still leaning Purna because of the glowing testimonials he’s gotten, but welcome any input. Anyways, here’s the design: Great design and drawing; looks great! I think Purna can work this out; he just finished and shipped our "Purnavester Project"! Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 23:48:57 GMT
Hey guys, so it looks like I may be joining the ranks of those commissioning special projects from Purna Darnal at GGK. I’m hoping for general comments on the design, but also advice on whether you think the design would be best in the hands of the illustrious Purna, or the maker of Balaur Arms, who’s also looked at the design and said he would do it. I love some of the projects that Purna has done here, and on the other hand Shahzeb has a lot of experience with Euro style swords and did a bang-up job on his Kriegsmesser, too. I am still leaning Purna because of the glowing testimonials he’s gotten, but welcome any input. Anyways, here’s the design: Great design and drawing; looks great! I think Purna can work this out; he just finished and shipped our "Purnavester Project"! LOVE the copper fittings. So beautiful!
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Post by Sullivan on Apr 23, 2021 0:22:56 GMT
Dandelion that Purnavester is a magnificent piece. And thank you for the compliments on mine. Means a lot. Also, Purna is just something else. Talking to him more about his work process, traditions, and lineage coupled with the results of his work is humbling. After just 3 days, man... Oh, and it appears the three lines that I assumed were guides for fullers were not actually separate, but for one large fuller. I asked about it, and it is a Viking sword for the spouse of someone who had previously commissioned a Viking style piece themselves. Still can’t wait to see that, as well.
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Post by Dandelion on Apr 23, 2021 4:28:29 GMT
Dandelion that Purnavester is a magnificent piece. And thank you for the compliments on mine. Means a lot. Also, Purna is just something else. Talking to him more about his work process, traditions, and lineage coupled with the results of his work is humbling. After just 3 days, man... Oh, and it appears the three lines that I assumed were guides for fullers were not actually separate, but for one large fuller. I asked about it, and it is a Viking sword for the spouse of someone who had previously commissioned a Viking style piece themselves. Still can’t wait to see that, as well. The Purnaman knows the "riddle of steel", up there near the himelian mountains!
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Post by Dandelion on Apr 26, 2021 17:46:20 GMT
Big bunch of big pictures of the "Purnavester" in the "new acquisitions" thread!
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Post by Sullivan on May 11, 2021 6:49:29 GMT
Okay, I’ve got some advice to ask of you guys. I’m gonna admit right up front that it’s primarily on me for not thinking of a weight “threshold” for my Messer here, but with the specificity in design concerning taper & geometry, and back-and-forth communication, I hoped I’d stand a good chance of things going well in that dept. despite not having a specific weight reference.
Then the sword was finished in the blink of an eye, Purna had DHL knocking at his door, and needed my shipping address. Welp, here it comes. The excitement had me blurred.
It arrived Friday. The Messer is beautiful, and the balance itself is great. Just.. What’s your opinion of 1368g / 3lbs 0.3oz for a blade of this size/type? Within reason?
It seems that all the small details that Purna deviated from were areas that upped weight incrementally; not tapering the spine quite so consistently and not rounding it off, not deeply chamfering the pommel edges, leaving a bit more appleseed meat on the main bevel, etc. Now, I expected deviation or miscommunication, I just didn’t think it’d all trend towards heft.
Generally my experience with Purna has been exceedingly positive, and this is more on me than him for sure. I can maybe bring down the weight over time with files, stones, and sandpaper, but...
I just want to know what you guys might do in my situation? Even if that answer is just to eat it. Not even solely for myself; I’ve seen people both on here and on FB express interest in commissioning this very design, so even if it’s just in the form of giving Purna input for future versions of this piece and getting a better idea of Messers.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 8:11:53 GMT
Messers literally means knives. This could have turned out to be a knife, which is what you were probably hoping for. Let me put this in a bit of perspective. Here is a modern reproduction of an artillery sword, weighing a good bit less than 3 lbs. An original of that lighter still, as the grips were cast as hollow halves. www.kultofathena.com/product/us-model-1832-foot-artillery-sword/Your design could have been as handy as a large bowie weighing half of three pounds. There are plenty of examples of the maker's work here and some hit it out of the park, while others don't I had promised others I wouldn't be a pest but the realities are out there. Folk get starry eyed and then some simple communications seem to break down. It is not really a "fix it" at these distances. Ask for particulars before a commission ships out and more importantly before the finishing stage. Fwiw, linear distal is something you might want to alter but it is not my knife design (it is a big knife, not a sword). Purna seems to be a flavor of the year favorite. Good luck
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Post by Sullivan on May 11, 2021 8:24:24 GMT
Thanks for the input @edelweiss Yes, your absolutely right that I could have nipped this in the bud by having a simple number, or at least a maximum.
I can’t really fault Purna for that, and you’re right insofar as him having a lack expertise in anything outside of Khukuris- and I knew that. It was up to me to make up the difference, and this being my first real design brought to commission, I was in for some kind of lesson.
I may make another go with another maker with higher resolution stats, and/or see how receptive Purna is to the tip in regards to further makes of this design.
Also, regarding something more optimal than Linear Taper, what would you suggest?
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