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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Feb 17, 2021 3:29:09 GMT
Isn't Grimfrost is just a reseller of Indian made low-cost weapons by Deepeeka and Windlass? They sometimes toss in a leather belt to cover certain part of the fitting so it wouldn't be overly obvious on photos. I'm pretty sure they work on proprietary designs that are contracted to Asian facilities for production. Some may be just slight variations from catalogue Indian offerings. Note the MRL axe has a shorter haft by over a foot. They also have "limited edition" weapons like the $1000 axe which states "from the forge of a Swedish smith". But weapons are only one section of their website. I was looking into Viking jewelry last year and it appears their jewelry designs are also proprietary but clearly cheap enough to not be handmade in Scandinavia. I bought a bronze ring and was happy with it. Their wool and linen Viking clothing and leather boots are also nice quality and competitively priced. But they are a themed retailer, not a manufacturer. They're reselling a curated catalogue of things for profit.
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Post by Kane Shen on Feb 17, 2021 3:46:33 GMT
Isn't Grimfrost is just a reseller of Indian made low-cost weapons by Deepeeka and Windlass? They sometimes toss in a leather belt to cover certain part of the fitting so it wouldn't be overly obvious on photos. I'm pretty sure they work on proprietary designs that are contracted to Asian facilities for production. Some may be just slight variations from catalogue Indian offerings. Note the MRL axe has a shorter haft by over a foot. They also have "limited edition" weapons like the $1000 axe which states "from the forge of a Swedish smith". But weapons are only one section of their website. I was looking into Viking jewelry last year and it appears their jewelry designs are also proprietary but clearly cheap enough to not be handmade in Scandinavia. I bought a bronze ring and was happy with it. Their wool and linen Viking clothing and leather boots are also nice quality and competitively priced. But they are a themed retailer, not a manufacturer. They're reselling a curated catalogue of things for profit. The $1300 Dane axe is probably from Tord of Thor's Forge. True that weapons are only a small segment of Grimfrost's business but it makes you wonder whether the rest of the stuff they sell are just made in the same way. There are an Amazon vendor called Norse Tradesman basically just sell stuff associated with modern people's perception of migration cultures, made in India. Grimfrost probably is doing it better, with a higher marketing budget, and price tags on a whole new level, of the same stuff. I actually don't mind "Viking" jewelries being made in third world countries, it's the design and quality that matters. I have a few Viking trinkets made in Ukraine, and they look decent enough to be curiosity items.
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Post by Greg E on Feb 17, 2021 6:12:28 GMT
The Grimfrost Axe is 1" shorter in blade, taller by over a foot, has an ash handle (not Indian wood), has different finish on the blade, doesn't have the cross pin in the eye of the axe, made with different steel, has more rounded edges on the pol and other areas by the pictures compared to mine and comes with a leather blade protector. I am very happy about the haft as the wood on Windlass and Deepeeka axes and polearms are usually pretty bad.
So for $290 shipped from Sweden in about a week, I think I am still happy with my purchase. It is different enough that I might get the Windlass one as well. The MRL one would come out to be just about $200 with shipping to me.
This will probably be my last large axe for awhile, as I have had my eye on some of the smaller types. My Albion Armorers medium Dane Axe should show up soon as well.
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Post by Kane Shen on Feb 17, 2021 22:25:15 GMT
The Grimfrost Axe is 1" shorter in blade, taller by over a foot, has an ash handle (not Indian wood), has different finish on the blade, doesn't have the cross pin in the eye of the axe, made with different steel, has more rounded edges on the pol and other areas by the pictures compared to mine and comes with a leather blade protector. I am very happy about the haft as the wood on Windlass and Deepeeka axes and polearms are usually pretty bad. So for $290 shipped from Sweden in about a week, I think I am still happy with my purchase. It is different enough that I might get the Windlass one as well. The MRL one would come out to be just about $200 with shipping to me. This will probably be my last large axe for awhile, as I have had my eye on some of the smaller types. My Albion Armorers medium Dane Axe should show up soon as well. Those are just minor details that can be asked to make in different ways, such as whether to polish the axe head or not, whether to pre-drill hole for that pin (if not secured by a pin, it's then just secured with friction alone) when you buy bulk from contract forges. Also, most of the axe heads are un-hafted when vendors buy them, they may mount the heads onto any wooden shaft themselves with wood local to each vendor, or usually ship the heads unmounted along with a separate shaft to customers who order them. The dead give-away is the EN45 steel, which is never used by anyone other than Indian makers in the recent decade for historical weapon reproductions any more. The reason is that when an Indian maker specifies it as EN45, it's not exactly the GB version of the steel, but rather an Indian affordable equivalence to the Britain's designation of EN45, so nobody will actually protest the naming. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad steel or anything, if heat treated properly, it's just the most affordable steel out there for reproduction. Based on the swords they sell at Grimfrost, such as the deepeeka swords they simply rename (zero modification even), comparing to other retailers such as Kult of Athena, GF makes some mad profit (possible triple or quadruple), and it only makes sense that the same is true for any of their other offerings. Ultimately, it is up to you whether you are happy with it. Whether an untreated 55" ash shaft is worth a couple hundred more than a 48" one of unknown wood. And it's also up to the quality of the product. A&A's Dane axe is priced at $330, and nobody thinks it's unreasonable because it's made in Minnesota. So a great axe at $290 certainly isn't the end of the world for sure, even if it's made in India.
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Post by winteriscomingxii on Feb 18, 2021 0:15:31 GMT
There is nothing to back this up other than the fact that they are very similar designs (which is very common). And there are many subtle differences in the stuff from Deepeka and Grimfrost (at least in those links/pics you posted). I've often wondered though where Grimfrost gets their stuff. I emailed them about it and the only response was that all their "forge" items are made in a "semi-production" environment in Sweden, with the exception of their limited edition items which are all "hand made". Does Deepeka/Windlass make and assemble stuff in Sweden? Also, they do make other items that aren't really similar to anything that I've seen Deepeka/Windlass make. Such as their seaxs, the kross ox axe, this broad axe, their "barbarian" axe (which isn't listed anymore) and even their skeggox. Now admittedly I don't own any Grimfrost stuff, and obviously a budget source does probably make this stuff because it's all relatively cheap even for what Grimfrost is selling it for. But it does appear to be a step above the typical Windlass/Deepeka stuff, so I wouldn't just put info out like this without knowing.
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Post by Greg E on Feb 18, 2021 0:28:58 GMT
The Grimfrost Axe is 1" shorter in blade, taller by over a foot, has an ash handle (not Indian wood), has different finish on the blade, doesn't have the cross pin in the eye of the axe, made with different steel, has more rounded edges on the pol and other areas by the pictures compared to mine and comes with a leather blade protector. I am very happy about the haft as the wood on Windlass and Deepeeka axes and polearms are usually pretty bad. So for $290 shipped from Sweden in about a week, I think I am still happy with my purchase. It is different enough that I might get the Windlass one as well. The MRL one would come out to be just about $200 with shipping to me. This will probably be my last large axe for awhile, as I have had my eye on some of the smaller types. My Albion Armorers medium Dane Axe should show up soon as well. Those are just minor details that can be asked to make in different ways, such as whether to polish the axe head or not, whether to pre-drill hole for that pin (if not secured by a pin, it's then just secured with friction alone) when you buy bulk from contract forges. Also, most of the axe heads are un-hafted when vendors buy them, they may mount the heads onto any wooden shaft themselves with wood local to each vendor, or usually ship the heads unmounted along with a separate shaft to customers who order them. The dead give-away is the EN45 steel, which is never used by anyone other than Indian makers in the recent decade for historical weapon reproductions any more. The reason is that when an Indian maker specifies it as EN45, it's not exactly the GB version of the steel, but rather an Indian affordable equivalence to the Britain's designation of EN45, so nobody will actually protest the naming. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad steel or anything, if heat treated properly, it's just the most affordable steel out there for reproduction. Based on the swords they sell at Grimfrost, such as the deepeeka swords they simply rename (zero modification even), comparing to other retailers such as Kult of Athena, GF makes some mad profit (possible triple or quadruple), and it only makes sense that the same is true for any of their other offerings. Ultimately, it is up to you whether you are happy with it. Whether an untreated 55" ash shaft is worth a couple hundred more than a 48" one of unknown wood. And it's also up to the quality of the product. A&A's Dane axe is priced at $330, and nobody thinks it's unreasonable because it's made in Minnesota. So a great axe at $290 certainly isn't the end of the world for sure, even if it's made in India. The minor details are worth it to me. Not sure why you have come to my thread to knock the axe I am showing. Making me feel I need to justify my purchase. Please refrain from posting on this thread.
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Post by Kane Shen on Feb 18, 2021 1:24:13 GMT
Those are just minor details that can be asked to make in different ways, such as whether to polish the axe head or not, whether to pre-drill hole for that pin (if not secured by a pin, it's then just secured with friction alone) when you buy bulk from contract forges. Also, most of the axe heads are un-hafted when vendors buy them, they may mount the heads onto any wooden shaft themselves with wood local to each vendor, or usually ship the heads unmounted along with a separate shaft to customers who order them. The dead give-away is the EN45 steel, which is never used by anyone other than Indian makers in the recent decade for historical weapon reproductions any more. The reason is that when an Indian maker specifies it as EN45, it's not exactly the GB version of the steel, but rather an Indian affordable equivalence to the Britain's designation of EN45, so nobody will actually protest the naming. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad steel or anything, if heat treated properly, it's just the most affordable steel out there for reproduction. Based on the swords they sell at Grimfrost, such as the deepeeka swords they simply rename (zero modification even), comparing to other retailers such as Kult of Athena, GF makes some mad profit (possible triple or quadruple), and it only makes sense that the same is true for any of their other offerings. Ultimately, it is up to you whether you are happy with it. Whether an untreated 55" ash shaft is worth a couple hundred more than a 48" one of unknown wood. And it's also up to the quality of the product. A&A's Dane axe is priced at $330, and nobody thinks it's unreasonable because it's made in Minnesota. So a great axe at $290 certainly isn't the end of the world for sure, even if it's made in India. The minor details are worth it to me. Not sure why you have come to my thread to knock the axe I am showing. Making me feel I need to justify my purchase. Please refrain from posting on this thread. I'm not knocking on the axe you are showing. Like I said, it seems to be made of proper material and if you are happy about the product that's all fine. You don't need to justify it to anybody. I'm criticizing the seller for their lack of dishonesty-- not the maker, nor you the buyer. I already made it clear several times, and also shared similar experience of myself. I don't understand why, you, the customer needs to get über defensive in place of the seller, this is highly unusual behavior. "Please refrain from posting on this thread." This is quite literally amazing. This is a forum, if you are the owner of this forum and as the owner you made the policy that this is not a public place of opinions, please let me know. Otherwise, you don't own the forum, or the thread, or any member's opinion.
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Post by Greg E on Feb 18, 2021 1:33:17 GMT
The minor details are worth it to me. Not sure why you have come to my thread to knock the axe I am showing. Making me feel I need to justify my purchase. Please refrain from posting on this thread. I'm not knocking on the axe you are showing. Like I said, it seems to be made of proper material and if you are happy about the product that's all fine. You don't need to justify it to anybody. I'm criticizing the seller for their lack of dishonesty-- not the maker, nor you the buyer. I already made it clear several times, and also shared similar experience of myself. I don't understand why, you, the customer needs to get über defensive in place of the seller, this is highly unusual behavior. "Please refrain from posting on this thread." This is quite literally amazing. This is a forum, if you are the owner of this forum and as the owner you made the policy that this is not a public place of opinions, please let me know. Otherwise, you don't own the forum, or the thread, or any member's opinion. I just asked. But of course I can not stop you. Please continue with your criticism of the axe and the seller.
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Post by Kane Shen on Feb 18, 2021 1:56:37 GMT
There is nothing to back this up other than the fact that they are very similar designs (which is very common). And there are many subtle differences in the stuff from Deepeka and Grimfrost (at least in those links/pics you posted). I've often wondered though where Grimfrost gets their stuff. I emailed them about it and the only response was that all their "forge" items are made in a "semi-production" environment in Sweden, with the exception of their limited edition items which are all "hand made". Does Deepeka/Windlass make and assemble stuff in Sweden? Also, they do make other items that aren't really similar to anything that I've seen Deepeka/Windlass make. Such as their seaxs, the kross ox axe, this broad axe, their "barbarian" axe (which isn't listed anymore) and even their skeggox. Now admittedly I don't own any Grimfrost stuff, and obviously a budget source does probably make this stuff because it's all relatively cheap even for what Grimfrost is selling it for. But it does appear to be a step above the typical Windlass/Deepeka stuff, so I wouldn't just put info out like this without knowing. They are not "very similar", they are completely identical because it is made by Deepeeka. Look at the screenshots below: This is the one on Grimfrost's website (sold for $350): This is the Deepeeka one (sold for $250): Other than the different lighting (or maybe just a different photo filter), they are completely identical. The steel is also a dead giveaway: EN45, which is only used by Indian low-cost reproductions only, which is also the go-to choice of Deepeeka, whose swords and axes are sold by dozens of resellers around the world, among which the honest ones clearly mark them as Deepeeka and sell for a reasonable price (which is generally the lowest in each category of weapons among all the legitimate makers). There are a number of others rebrand them, and make some very slight modifications sometimes, and just leave the way they are otherwise, and sell for a much higher price. I have to say, given all the flaws of sword designs (lack of distal taper in blades, being generally overweight), Deepeeka is a legitimate maker, so these reseller are not selling counterfeit or anything. Their swords are made of proper material (EN45 is a proper steel for sword blades, if heat treated properly, even James Elmslie used it way back then), and if not examined for details, can look quite decent. This is probably the reason some of the resellers can take advantage of it to rebrand them and hide the origin. Also, regarding their answer to your question, I think it's kind of a trick. I think they do have a few offerings, e.g. that $1300 Dane axe could very well be from a Swedish smith, given the axe head steel (definitely NOT EN45) used. I'm not sure whether it's Tord of Thor's Forge, but it may very well be made by someone of the same caliber in Sweden. So their answer is technically not completely false, and they can use that to cover up for all of their products, which in my book is a sign of dishonesty. Do you know how much semprini the community has given to Darksword Armory for not explicitly disclosing the blades of their swords are made in China?
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Post by Kane Shen on Feb 18, 2021 2:04:04 GMT
I'm not knocking on the axe you are showing. Like I said, it seems to be made of proper material and if you are happy about the product that's all fine. You don't need to justify it to anybody. I'm criticizing the seller for their lack of dishonesty-- not the maker, nor you the buyer. I already made it clear several times, and also shared similar experience of myself. I don't understand why, you, the customer needs to get über defensive in place of the seller, this is highly unusual behavior. "Please refrain from posting on this thread." This is quite literally amazing. This is a forum, if you are the owner of this forum and as the owner you made the policy that this is not a public place of opinions, please let me know. Otherwise, you don't own the forum, or the thread, or any member's opinion. I just asked. But of course I can not stop you. Please continue with your criticism of the axe and the seller. LOL I'm not criticizing the axe, I don't know why I have to repeat this, nor have I been criticizing you. If anything, we are in the same boat. I once overpaid a hundred bucks or so on a Colichemarde made clearly by Deepeeka with very minor modifications, to an American reenactment supplier. I am not overly upset about it, after all, it was I who didn't do the homework thoroughly, but I will stay away from that reseller from that point on. There's nothing wrong with that sword--it wasn't defective or anything. With your axe, it seems to be a solid axe with proper material and aesthetics--it has a more Viking look than the A&A one. If I have to guess, they are both beasts of an axe. And these Danish greataxes are not very common on the market either, so it's not a bad axe, and it's not a bad purchase by any means. You don't need to justify it to anyone--other than your wallet and your wife, but again we are all in the same boat. My point is, if this information somehow makes you feel bad about the purchase, don't be. Enjoy the axe itself, that's what matters.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Feb 18, 2021 2:30:05 GMT
Interesting discussion. The head of the Grimfrost and the Windlass do look very similar. Although even with the additional cost, I would probably opt for the Grimfrost because of the additional length and knowing the handle is ash.
What is the weight? Is it much heavier than the A&A?
Nice axe by the way.
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Post by Kane Shen on Feb 18, 2021 3:15:11 GMT
Come on, Kane. You're coming across as very dismissive of the buyer. You even went straight to the Facebook group for validation. You've repeated several times that the OP overpayed for the axe by a couple of hundred dollars, which is nothing short of hyperbole - the Windlass near equivalent is listed as $100 less without factoring shipping or considering difference like the haft and finish. It's not like Darksword because Darksword actually claims to be producing swords in Canada and doubles down when confronted. Grimfrost, when asked, stated that most of their weapons are made in India. They also don't claim to be a forge at all and they do have a number of proprietary designs produced for them by their Indian source - like Cold Steel does. Yeah, I get you. It wasn't my intention to bash the buyer here. If Grimfrost has been indeed upfront about the maker origin, it's fine. Maybe it was my previous experience made me hyper-vigilant about this kind of behaviors from resellers. Honestly out of the sword community, it's quite a common phenomenon. I think Greg should enjoy the axe as it is. Once the transaction is over, what matters is how much you can make out of the product. Don't mind what others say.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Feb 18, 2021 3:42:15 GMT
Agreed. I for one would like to see a more detailed review of it. Maybe some cutting.
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Post by winteriscomingxii on Feb 19, 2021 2:21:46 GMT
There is nothing to back this up other than the fact that they are very similar designs (which is very common). And there are many subtle differences in the stuff from Deepeka and Grimfrost (at least in those links/pics you posted). I've often wondered though where Grimfrost gets their stuff. I emailed them about it and the only response was that all their "forge" items are made in a "semi-production" environment in Sweden, with the exception of their limited edition items which are all "hand made". Does Deepeka/Windlass make and assemble stuff in Sweden? Also, they do make other items that aren't really similar to anything that I've seen Deepeka/Windlass make. Such as their seaxs, the kross ox axe, this broad axe, their "barbarian" axe (which isn't listed anymore) and even their skeggox. Now admittedly I don't own any Grimfrost stuff, and obviously a budget source does probably make this stuff because it's all relatively cheap even for what Grimfrost is selling it for. But it does appear to be a step above the typical Windlass/Deepeka stuff, so I wouldn't just put info out like this without knowing. They are not "very similar", they are completely identical because it is made by Deepeeka. Look at the screenshots below: This is the one on Grimfrost's website (sold for $350): This is the Deepeeka one (sold for $250): Other than the different lighting (or maybe just a different photo filter), they are completely identical. The steel is also a dead giveaway: EN45, which is only used by Indian low-cost reproductions only, which is also the go-to choice of Deepeeka, whose swords and axes are sold by dozens of resellers around the world, among which the honest ones clearly mark them as Deepeeka and sell for a reasonable price (which is generally the lowest in each category of weapons among all the legitimate makers). There are a number of others rebrand them, and make some very slight modifications sometimes, and just leave the way they are otherwise, and sell for a much higher price. I have to say, given all the flaws of sword designs (lack of distal taper in blades, being generally overweight), Deepeeka is a legitimate maker, so these reseller are not selling counterfeit or anything. Their swords are made of proper material (EN45 is a proper steel for sword blades, if heat treated properly, even James Elmslie used it way back then), and if not examined for details, can look quite decent. This is probably the reason some of the resellers can take advantage of it to rebrand them and hide the origin. Also, regarding their answer to your question, I think it's kind of a trick. I think they do have a few offerings, e.g. that $1300 Dane axe could very well be from a Swedish smith, given the axe head steel (definitely NOT EN45) used. I'm not sure whether it's Tord of Thor's Forge, but it may very well be made by someone of the same caliber in Sweden. So their answer is technically not completely false, and they can use that to cover up for all of their products, which in my book is a sign of dishonesty. Do you know how much semprini the community has given to Darksword Armory for not explicitly disclosing the blades of their swords are made in China? The main difference that I noticed in that sword was the cord wrapped grip that's missing on the Deepeka, but I DID miss the pictures on Grimfrosts site that confirm their sword also did ship with the typical leather wrapped grip that's on the Deepeka model. So it's probably just something they requested to set it apart a bit. I'm not saying you're wrong, but that being said, Grimsfrost does offer quite a few things that Deepeka and Windlass don't (the axe you mentioned being one, and the custom seaxs etc.), and they're definitely NOT in the same class as Deepeka/Windlass. I do question their honesty though. Because when asked they flat out stated all their "forge" items are made in Sweden. I'm not ok with this answer if they are indeed made by Deepeka. They should really mention that they're speaking about their limited edition $1000+ items if that's what they're referring to. Not just label them "forge items". I specifically was inquiring about their budget swords. Some of their items do come with a few extras like higher quality shafts, a sword belt, sharpened blades etc. Whether that's worth the markup is up to the end user I guess. I'd purchase from them if given the option just to avoid shopping with KoA... but that's a topic for another day. Bringing all this up on OP's post though makes it sound like you're just trying to make him feel bad for possibly over paying for something he just wanted to share with the community though, and isn't the best form in my opinion.
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Post by Kane Shen on Feb 19, 2021 3:28:31 GMT
The main difference that I noticed in that sword was the cord wrapped grip that's missing on the Deepeka, but I DID miss the pictures on Grimfrosts site that confirm their sword also did ship with the typical leather wrapped grip that's on the Deepeka model. So it's probably just something they requested to set it apart a bit. I'm not saying you're wrong, but that being said, Grimsfrost does offer quite a few things that Deepeka and Windlass don't (the axe you mentioned being one, and the custom seaxs etc.), and they're definitely NOT in the same class as Deepeka/Windlass. I do question their honesty though. Because when asked they flat out stated all their "forge" items are made in Sweden. I'm not ok with this answer if they are indeed made by Deepeka. They should really mention that they're speaking about their limited edition $1000+ items if that's what they're referring to. Not just label them "forge items". I specifically was inquiring about their budget swords. Some of their items do come with a few extras like higher quality shafts, a sword belt, sharpened blades etc. Whether that's worth the markup is up to the end user I guess. I'd purchase from them if given the option just to avoid shopping with KoA... but that's a topic for another day. Bringing all this up on OP's post though makes it sound like you're just trying to make him feel bad for possibly over paying for something he just wanted to share with the community though, and isn't the best form in my opinion. Thank you for confirming the part of Grimfrost's shenanigans. For my intention, I explicitly stated several times to several different people in this thread, I don't know why I have to repeat it again. I didn't target him the buyer, or the maker, or the axe itself. My comments were aimed at the seller, who most definitively isn't being honest--I mean you confirmed this yourself, when you asked about specific swords, they tried to pull the wool over your eyes without even a shadow of a doubt. However, I told Greg not to be upset and feel bad about it, unless the merchandise itself is defective or counterfeit--in this case, it seems to be neither. I dare say each and every one of us has overpaid for stuff in the past, it's not our fault, we could do the research a bit more, or get some help from fellow members to potentially save some money, but it happens. This forum is called "Sword Buyers' Guide", ideally we'd all be: 1. seeking validations from people with the same hobby, 2. trying to help each other out on purchases. I don't know when the culture has shifted towards "oh semprini, this smart guy is making a handsome profit over there, don't you spoil his little scheme." This doesn't do justice to other honest merchants like Kult of Athena, Museum Replica, or SBG's own store. I have no idea this is some kind of "industrial insider" norm we have to obey. Nobody has the obligation to defend a seller from a buyer's perspective--I mean people are literally starting to make various excuses for the seller on their behalf. All I know is this: if we don't call dishonest sellers out when they pull this on us, soon enough everybody still left standing would be doing the same shenanigans.
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Post by winteriscomingxii on Feb 19, 2021 3:46:58 GMT
The main difference that I noticed in that sword was the cord wrapped grip that's missing on the Deepeka, but I DID miss the pictures on Grimfrosts site that confirm their sword also did ship with the typical leather wrapped grip that's on the Deepeka model. So it's probably just something they requested to set it apart a bit. I'm not saying you're wrong, but that being said, Grimsfrost does offer quite a few things that Deepeka and Windlass don't (the axe you mentioned being one, and the custom seaxs etc.), and they're definitely NOT in the same class as Deepeka/Windlass. I do question their honesty though. Because when asked they flat out stated all their "forge" items are made in Sweden. I'm not ok with this answer if they are indeed made by Deepeka. They should really mention that they're speaking about their limited edition $1000+ items if that's what they're referring to. Not just label them "forge items". I specifically was inquiring about their budget swords. Some of their items do come with a few extras like higher quality shafts, a sword belt, sharpened blades etc. Whether that's worth the markup is up to the end user I guess. I'd purchase from them if given the option just to avoid shopping with KoA... but that's a topic for another day. Bringing all this up on OP's post though makes it sound like you're just trying to make him feel bad for possibly over paying for something he just wanted to share with the community though, and isn't the best form in my opinion. Thank you for confirming the part of Grimfrost's shenanigans. For my intention, I explicitly stated several times to several different people in this thread, I don't know why I have to repeat it again. I didn't target him the buyer, or the maker, or the axe itself. My comments were aimed at the seller, who most definitively isn't being honest--I mean you confirmed this yourself, when you asked about specific swords, they tried to pull the wool over your eyes without even a shadow of a doubt. However, I told Greg not to be upset and feel bad about it, unless the merchandise itself is defective or counterfeit--in this case, it seems to be neither. I dare say each and every one of us has overpaid for stuff in the past, it's not our fault, we could do the research a bit more, or get some help from fellow members to potentially save some money, but it happens. This forum is called "Sword Buyers' Guide", ideally we'd all be: 1. seeking validations from people with the same hobby, 2. trying to help each other out on purchases. I don't know when the culture has shifted towards "oh semprini, this smart guy is making a handsome profit over there, don't you spoil his little scheme." This doesn't do justice to other honest merchants like Kult of Athena, Museum Replica, or SBG's own store. I have no idea this is some kind of "industrial insider" norm we have to obey. Nobody has the obligation to defend a seller from a buyer's perspective--I mean people are literally starting to make various excuses for the seller on their behalf. All I know is this: if we don't call dishonest sellers out when they pull this on us, soon enough everybody still left standing would be doing the same shenanigans. I haven't read all your posts to other people. I read up to the point where you initially commented, and I read your replies to me. There are a lot of semprinis on the internet that just like to make people feel bad, so my apologies if I misread your intent with your initial message. EDIT - I don't know why SBG is censoring my words to "semprinis" lol.
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Post by Greg E on Feb 19, 2021 4:53:09 GMT
I don't care if anyone wants to bash Grimfrost, KoA, Windlass, Deepeeka etc. I just wish that it had been done on a different thread, not dominate mine. But please continue to do so on my thread as it has been taken over already. If anyone has a problem with a seller, great! Make a thread, post in it, bash away. I applaud it. But, please keep it off someone else's thread. I was going to do a quick comparison and review of the 3 axes shown from 3 different makers on this thread, or 4 if my 2nd Albion Armorers axe shows soon....
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