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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 10:17:55 GMT
I didn't know this was one of the swords suffering the tempering issue... I was under the impression it was the thinner blades: Lucerne, Black Prince, Dordogne, etc. I had a 12th century sword that was part of a bad heat treatment batch, but it didn't broke, it bent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 14:32:50 GMT
If you can't get any help from Gen2, I'd be glad to take this off your hands if you're willing to trade it. My ad is in the classifieds if you're interested.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 16:32:00 GMT
Gen2 is awesome at handling failures and other defects. This is why we love them. That is definitely some nasty stuff...no idea what it could be, personally, but it definitely shouldn't have been there. It looks like it would have shown up somewhat on the blade, though...at least it appears to breech the surface a bit. Did you ever notice it before the break, and when you put the two pieces back together, can you see it? No it was not noticeable before the break
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2008 0:31:52 GMT
If you can't get any help from Gen2, I'd be glad to take this off your hands if you're willing to trade it. My ad is in the classifieds if you're interested. PM sent ....you know I'm considering doing this, not because I dont think they'll take it back im about %100 percent sure they'd take it back if they are honest about they're return policy.(which I think they are) BUT instead to take some heat off of clyde man I've been on these forums for a while and I kinda feel bad for the dude that half the stuff that I hear about GEN 2 on these forums is negative stuff like this. Though I dont think theyre a bad company at all they're pretty good IMO. its just like the news the negative stuff makes it to the forums. Not too often someone comes here and posts I had a Great time with my GEN 2 today thanks clyde for getting this sword to me for under 300. well actually sometimes that stuff shows up on these forums thats what I like about SBG. But if I did just trade it well, me, clyde and steven segal walk out of this okay, right ? thats my logic anyways. hmm still might send it back did like that sword though......rambling..............
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2008 1:09:52 GMT
If you can't get any help from Gen2, I'd be glad to take this off your hands if you're willing to trade it. My ad is in the classifieds if you're interested. PM sent ....you know I'm considering doing this, not because I dont think they'll take it back im about %100 percent sure they'd take it back if they are honest about they're return policy.(which I think they are) BUT instead to take some heat off of clyde man I've been on these forums for a while and I kinda feel bad for the dude that half the stuff that I hear about GEN 2 on these forums is negative stuff like this. Though I dont think theyre a bad company at all they're pretty good IMO. its just like the news the negative stuff makes it to the forums. Not too often someone comes here and posts I had a Great time with my GEN 2 today thanks clyde for getting this sword to me for under 300. well actually sometimes that stuff shows up on these forums thats what I like about SBG. But if I did just trade it well, me, clyde and steven segal walk out of this okay, right ? thats my logic anyways. hmm still might send it back did like that sword though......rambling.............. Did I misread above somewhere? I thought Clyde wanted you to return the sword (pieces) so he could examine it, and he would inturn replace it. Is this not the case?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2008 2:54:58 GMT
Well thats what he has to do with all of them I'm assuming I dont think he would really want to hes probably going to lose a hundered dollars and some on sendind me a new one. I think thats the return process is all. This may be a little over informative but I got nothin better to do right now, heres how the convo went down. - Hi I ordered the generation 2 12th century norman sword the 11th of last november and I've loved the sword and customized it a little and used it for responsible cutting, BUT unfortunately yesterday while cutting a bottle at a lil cutting party me and my friends were having the blade snapped right off It wasnt a bad cut. I explained to him upon closer inspection It almost looked like there was a litle rock in both sides of the blade where it broke. He said yeah most likely there was a crack in the blade that went unnoticed during the tempering process. ( which I'm not sure if thats the case at all, whats up with the black crap, its almost like someone accisentally dropped something on the blade and it got hammered in ?) clyde went on to ask me what the item number was because he told me there were two like that and I wasnt sure what he was saying at first. and he said well theres the 12th century norman and I cut him off and said YEAH thats the one !. and then he said well okay heres the address. then he basically said okay send it off to us I'll inspect it and well get out a new one to you. I could kind of sense a dissapointment in his voice...kind of made me feel bad. But overall yes very good customer service. But to answer your question Yeah he said it would be inspected, but IMO its more likely to make sure the blade was not used improperly than to see something hes probably seen many times before...of course it could be to see what those guys makin his swords in the phillipines are up to to, I dont kow.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Aug 24, 2008 3:18:40 GMT
You know it might be a crack. When they are hardened and quenched there is a burnt, scaly black coating on all of the blade. If it was a crack, it would have stayed black, as it wasn't polished out. But still I think you would have seen it. It probably is a piece of coal that was hammered / folded in.
I understand his disappointment. Like you say there are guys in the Philipines that he is trusting to make the swords. And everytime they muck up it is costing him money.
Good luck with your replacement.
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Post by hotspur on Aug 24, 2008 10:36:07 GMT
This reminds me a bit of my Godfred, even though the circumstances are a bit different. I have no idea of the overall life of the sword pictured and what stresses it experienced. Ad hoc flex tests, botched cuts, area of the blade most used, whether the apparent inclusion might even have existed in the raw stock before reaching the maker. I do know few use coal vs charcoal because of the sulphur content of coal. I do know that there are instances of bar stock and rounds coming to the customer/maker with occasional inclusions. What strikes me as more similar to my Godfred blade than anything is the apparently large grain size we see in the photos. Here is my Godfred. When steel is heat treated and held at high temperature for too long, the grain/matrix enlarges. A maker that examined my blade first hand equated it to biscut consistency. Some, when looking at the Godfred pictures, thought the blade may even have just been case hardened but my understanding is that overheating and quenching can lead to the same appearance where there is what looks like a skin. When my sword failed, it literally ripped and went to a soft feel in my hand during blows. I literally finished the tear by hand and there is a definite skin/core appearance to the mess. Anyway, the general consensus was an overheat and grain enlargement (held at temp too long). This was confirmed by Hanwei and Paul Chen himself, from direct correspondence with him (back when one could). This sword does not seem quite as coarse and there is an apparent enclusion but the grain is still coarser looking than test examples that have shown what fine grain and superior heat treatment looks like. I agree it should go back to the maker for anaylsis, an offer that was never made to me, nor a replacement. It was a couple of years after my purchase, the vendor dissapeared (Tuscany Trading) and I hadn't exactly been gentle with it before or during the failure (splitting short cuts of hickory). It actually ripped on the opposite side of the impacts, which were not really heavy strokes but against very hard and unyielding target, as well as fairly far back on the blade. Cheers Hotspur; the fittings live on, rehilted on a new blade
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