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Post by dhall on Jan 15, 2021 15:49:16 GMT
Hello, I work for United Cutlery / BUDK in product development. I have joined SBG to help answer questions about our products and also seek suggestions from our brand fans. I'll start by saying we sell a lot of mall ninja stuff that none of you on this forum would buy. But we also have several brands that we focus on more functional properties of the swords/knives. Our most exciting brand is definitely Honshu as we continue to grow the product line up. But Shikoto is also manufactured by United Cutlery. We also manufacture Sokojikara Japanese swords and a few other standalone brands. I've worked for BUDK/UC for 12 years and we are working hard to bring you guys products you want. Looking forward to hearing from you guys in the future.
Best, Drew
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 15, 2021 17:50:53 GMT
Hi, great that you're here for interacting with the forum community! I have a Honshu Boshin Katana and am waiting for a double edged sword. Honshu is indeed the brand that finds most interest here. It's a good thing when representatives of vendors, brands etc. are here not just for advertising their products but also for listening to the customers.
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Post by pattyb0009 on Jan 16, 2021 4:35:37 GMT
I agree with the Bavarian! Very nice of you to be here.
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Post by tancred on Jan 16, 2021 7:37:28 GMT
Hi Drew. Nice to have you here. Glad to see sword and knife companies interacting with potential buyers, and seeking their feedback. I've bought knives, military surplus, camping gear, and novelty items from Bud K in the past. As for bigger blades, I did buy a Honshu Tactital Wakizashi. I haven't put it through any rigorous cutting, but I like it a lot.
As for future possible products, I have a few basic ideas/suggestions. I actually think traditional Chinese arms could use some more representation. Affordable dao and jian that don't look cheap would be welcome.
Japanese katana are always a hot item. If you can keep them affordable but not cheap, that would be great. I like having different options, especially in ito color. Blades with bo-hi seem to be all the rage, but I actually prefer them without.
As for European arms, I think most of us here know about the Oakeshott Typology. Getting representation of the lesser known/least produced Types would be awesome!
Whether its Euro or Asian swords, I prefer historically based weapons as compared to fantasy.
Just some ideas. Thanks for becoming a member, and I hope to hear more from you in the future.
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Post by tancred on Jan 16, 2021 11:13:02 GMT
My brother Tancred, for some reason it seems like its been awhile. Hope all is well bro, always good to see my old buddies posting. Hey Brother Nathaniel! How are you? All is well as can be, I suppose. I do need a vacation, though! Hope you're doing well, too. Have any experience with Honshu or any of the other lines from Bud K? I think in the past the quality of the knives they carried was fine, and better than the swords. They've upped their game a little in the sword department, though. Not much experience with their swords recently other than my Tac Wak, but many of their swords seem to show some decent promise. I'm certainly tempted by a couple.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 16, 2021 11:52:05 GMT
I think the Honshu line is somerhing unique in the sword market, functional swords in a somehow SciFi design, not just pure tactical. I like this.
The other two katana brands compete with too many other makers, on first sight with just some more blingbling.
I like the Boshin swords for their futuristic-tactical design. The idea with modern grip materials is a good one, but it would be better some softer grippy rubber-like material (f.e. Gerber Gator) than just some hard plastic.
PS: The guard ring on the new Honshu Grosses Messer seems to be on the wrong side, at least on the picture
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Post by nddave on Jan 16, 2021 16:38:58 GMT
Hi welcome, nice to meet the guy behind the Honshu designs. If you dont know I'm the guy that Paul sent the broadsword, to review for you guys last year.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jan 16, 2021 17:01:59 GMT
I will be reviewing the new Honshu Grosse Messer soon, courtesy of Drew. I was impressed by the Shikoto sword. Many of the new Honshu designs look great and I hope to get my hands on more of them. Especially the Karito axe and the khopesh that was teased on Facebook.
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Post by tancred on Jan 16, 2021 17:07:36 GMT
The idea with modern grip materials is a good one, but it would be better some softer grippy rubber-like material (f.e. Gerber Gator) than just some hard plastic. Andi, is the material you're looking for grip band tennis racket wrap? You mentioned you liked the tactical and futuristic designs of some of the Honshu swords. I don't mind them, but I prefer more historical. If they could do both, that would be great!
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jan 16, 2021 17:13:43 GMT
I second the soft rubber grip idea. Something like the Hogue rubber gun grips would seriously up the perceived quality of the Honshu blades for me. So would nylon, kydex or similar plastic scabbards with mounting slots/holes for MOLLE compatibility and the ability to make a clean draw without breaking more than one retention strap open.
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Post by dhall on Jan 16, 2021 17:33:54 GMT
Thanks for the ideas. I'll see what we can do on the grips.
As far as historical. We do have a couple of more historical Honshu models coming. They are made by Windlass. A few different broadsword variations and hopefully a rapier. They will have leather over wood grips and appear more traditional. They are Honshu designs being made by Windlass. It won't be advertised as that but I wanted to relate to you guys the type of product to expect.
I'm not the designer, I am more of a project manager. I come up with some ideas and help them along with the help of a very talented designer and engineer. Our President also works closely in development.
I'm here because I care and I hope to improve some things and bring what you guys want. I appreciate all of your comments.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jan 16, 2021 17:41:35 GMT
They are Honshu designs being made by Windlass. It won't be advertised as that but I wanted to relate to you guys the type of product to expect. That's good to know, most of us have bought Windlass swords, so we'll know what to expect in terms of temper, tang construction, etc.
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Post by nddave on Jan 16, 2021 17:55:06 GMT
I second the soft rubber grip idea. Something like the Hogue rubber gun grips would seriously up the perceived quality of the Honshu blades for me. So would nylon, kydex or similar plastic scabbards with mounting slots/holes for MOLLE compatibility and the ability to make a clean draw without breaking more than one retention strap open. The TPR (thermal plastic rubber) featured on their Broadsword model has just that. Its soft and flexible off the tang but sturdy when assembled. I'm not sure what the other models have for grip material but if their harder plastic perhaps they can be replaced with the TPR like on the Broadsword.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jan 16, 2021 18:02:09 GMT
I second the soft rubber grip idea. Something like the Hogue rubber gun grips would seriously up the perceived quality of the Honshu blades for me. So would nylon, kydex or similar plastic scabbards with mounting slots/holes for MOLLE compatibility and the ability to make a clean draw without breaking more than one retention strap open. The TPR (thermal plastic rubber) featured on their Broadsword model has just that. Its soft and flexible off the tang but sturdy when assembled. I'm not sure what the other models have for grip material but if their harder plastic perhaps they can be replaced with the TPR like on the Broadsword. Ah, cool. I think I've read people describing Honshu grips as hard plastic but that sounds good.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jan 16, 2021 18:14:08 GMT
My kat has a TPR grip, but it's hard.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jan 16, 2021 20:04:05 GMT
Another random thought... holes in the blade. Most blade breaks I've seen happened a few inches above the tang, if not the tang itself. Holes in the forte of the blade make me nervous, even if the design survived your testing during the R&D phase.
The weight reduction aspect is trivial. We know you need to make the designs visually memorable.
Suggestion: if you're doing holes, put them in the last half or third of the blade. I'm pretty sure the holes trend started with Denzel Washington's bolo in the Book of Eli, and if you take a look, that prop has its holes farther down the blade with an apparent effect of bringing the point of balance closer to the user's hand.
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Post by tancred on Jan 19, 2021 0:35:44 GMT
Interesting that Windlass will be making some swords for Honshu. Windlass has a pretty proven track record, and probably most of us are familiar enough with them. If this maybe gets Windlass to experiment a little with their models, maybe offer up some more unique or hard to find pieces (like they used to in the late 1990's and early 2000's), then that would be awesome. I'll definitely be keeping my eye out for these!
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Post by theophilus736 on Feb 2, 2021 3:44:00 GMT
Thanks a ton for joining in. I'm sure it will only be a good thing.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 4, 2021 10:38:37 GMT
Yesterday my new Honshu Double Edged Ninja Sword arrived and I was surprised that it handles really well despite not having much distal taper. Just the changes in the cross section of the blade from ricasso to single edged to smaller double edged gives a good mass distribution and a good handling. Much better than my Boshin kat with its continuous kat blade shape. I've seen this also on my Zombie Tools swords, not much distal taper but a good mass distribution nevertheless. Since I don't expect Windlass to bring much distal taper to the UC swords this would be a good way for new longer blades with a good handling.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Feb 7, 2021 17:55:37 GMT
Filming/field testing complete for the Honshu Grossemesser. On to editing...
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