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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 18:23:06 GMT
While Purna is finishing up my commission, I found these two videos that are very instructional. The second video references the sword I am attempting to make. This dude is very practical, and is also a hilarious combination of Ron Swanson and Red Forman.
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Jan 1, 2021 18:29:54 GMT
These were very great videos and I agree on your two people as they reminded me of them as well haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 22:25:52 GMT
I just realized I fudged the measurements I gave to Purna from the archaeological find. The original sword was REALLY waisted, about 58mm at the widest points and 41.9mm at the most narrow point. I gave him a measurement of 50mm at the most narrow point because I likely read 41.9mm as 49.1mm. I invert numbers ALL the time. When I am 93 I will tell people I am 39.
Having realized my error, I am not entirely sure this makes my attempt at a reconstruction kaput. I still wonder about the waisted design feature. The archaeologists who discovered this sword believe this example was likely an actual design feature, i.e. they intended to make a waisted sword, but to what extent? I guess my design is waisted, but it's not as pronounced, it's more subtle. Perhaps after years of reprofiling the edge it because more narrow and the waisted effect more pronounced.
I wish we had more data about the metallurgical composition of the blade from this find. All they could observe was that there was a slight warp to one of the edges, but that was it. They thought the blade was rather stiff and strong. So it doesn't look like it was an inferior quality blade at the time of its make, which might explain how a waisted effect could be created via decomposition, i.e. the brittle edges broke off as it decomposed.
This paper really made me reconsider gladius hispaniensis. It's obvious the late Republican period saw this sword type be adopted all over the Roman world. Although it may have been a Celtic design, it was widely appropriated by many different cultures. The scholars use the anachronistic term, spatha, to describe this find because even though it was a word used to describe late Roman style, it's a logical way to describe a long Roman style blade, and they do conclude this is a Roman style blade. They do assume that it's patterned after Roman blades, but that Greeks living in Egypt at the time of its make may have preferred longer sword blades.
Oh, archaeology is a frustrating profession built on so many assumptions. I haven't even started on the ebony pommel from this find.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 2:53:52 GMT
Oh look, Purna learned how to make a Roman scabbard on his first attempt. It's partially done, mind you, but that's how it's done!
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 2, 2021 3:09:13 GMT
My version of a spatha ...Pompeii style...
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Jan 2, 2021 3:09:26 GMT
Nice that's awesome, I knew I should of let him try on mine.
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Jan 2, 2021 3:09:55 GMT
My version of a spatha ...Pompeii style... Who made yours?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 3:11:44 GMT
Newport's scabbard has very nice bling. Romans loved bling.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 2, 2021 3:13:52 GMT
My version of a spatha ...Pompeii style... Who made yours? Mark Morrow.... swordsmith.net
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Jan 2, 2021 3:14:39 GMT
Nice I have a Pomepeii gladius & scabbard due to be completed the end of this month by Mark :)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 3:21:42 GMT
Nice I have a Pomepeii gladius & scabbard due to be completed the end of this month by Mark I'm going to need a pilum soon. Mark looks like the right man for the job.
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Jan 2, 2021 3:24:38 GMT
Nice I have a Pomepeii gladius & scabbard due to be completed the end of this month by Mark I'm going to need a pilum soon. Mark looks like the right man for the job. He is a very talented person in the Roman field, I haven't heard of anyone saying his wares he makes, wither its a gladius, spatha or even pilum is anything but top quality.
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Post by Jash on Jan 4, 2021 23:28:25 GMT
Oh look, Purna learned how to make a Roman scabbard on his first attempt. It's partially done, mind you, but that's how it's done! It's hard to believe that's his first attempt at a Roman scabbard lol. Beautiful job! I'm guessing it's brass trimmed around engraved wood? Were the engravings your idea or his? Any story behind them? This is coming together nicely!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 0:06:56 GMT
It's a wood core with buffalo leather wrapped around it. Eric has conditioned Purna to use buffalo leather, which is much nicer and more durable than goat, I think.
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Jan 5, 2021 1:44:50 GMT
It's a wood core with buffalo leather wrapped around it. Eric has conditioned Purna to use buffalo leather, which is much nicer and more durable than goat, I think. Only the finest for the new roman army :)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 1:47:15 GMT
It's a wood core with buffalo leather wrapped around it. Eric has conditioned Purna to use buffalo leather, which is much nicer and more durable than goat, I think. Only the finest for the new roman army I think I want a pugio dagger next. What do you think?
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Jan 5, 2021 1:48:10 GMT
Only the finest for the new roman army I think I want a pugio dagger next. What do you think? I was thinking that as well too, but then I'm like I want a scutum to go along with my gladius :)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 2:10:14 GMT
MAJOR progress: The brass rings are not perfect, but overall this is a darn good first attempt! I am negotiating bringing the rings up a bit higher. They are all sitting a little low.
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Jan 5, 2021 2:24:02 GMT
I love the spatha, yeah I would say the rings are little low, so good for you to ask to have them raised, and good job on his first ever attempt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 16:00:06 GMT
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