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Post by fencer1221 on Dec 16, 2020 11:50:57 GMT
Can a floppy wushu sword be replaced with a proper rigid jian in tai chi forms?
forms like these:
Would a proper weighted rigid jian prevent you from performing some of the forms?
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Dec 16, 2020 19:44:29 GMT
Old forms will be fine. New "forms" developed for modern forms competition wushu, like your second example, might have bits that you can't do at the same speed with a realistic-weight weapon, because they were never designed for that. So what? Those forms are thoroughly disconnected from fighting, so whether or not you can do them with a realistic sword is irrelevant. Answer: just do the traditional forms.
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Post by fencer1221 on Dec 16, 2020 23:00:31 GMT
Old forms will be fine. New "forms" developed for modern forms competition wushu, like your second example, might have bits that you can't do at the same speed with a realistic-weight weapon, because they were never designed for that. So what? Those forms are thoroughly disconnected from fighting, so whether or not you can do them with a realistic sword is irrelevant. Answer: just do the traditional forms. good point, since i'm going to learn taiji the 2nd form is not really relevant for me anyway |
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Post by pvsampson on Dec 17, 2020 7:37:16 GMT
I practice Yang 32 sword every morning and evening. My "sword" is rigid but blunt. When you say proper jian I assume you mean sharp and I can see no issue with using one. Most Tai Chi forms are performed slowly,and are not Wushu forms. If you have any concern with a sharp then put some sticky tape over the edge. Either way it should be ok as there is no contact with the blade and movements are, and should be, very slow.
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Post by fencer1221 on Jan 10, 2021 8:25:44 GMT
I practice Yang 32 sword every morning and evening. My "sword" is rigid but blunt. When you say proper jian I assume you mean sharp and I can see no issue with using one. Most Tai Chi forms are performed slowly,and are not Wushu forms. If you have any concern with a sharp then put some sticky tape over the edge. Either way it should be ok as there is no contact with the blade and movements are, and should be, very slow. with "proper" i mean proper weight and somewhat rigid, the wushu floppers tend to be 400grams or something while a historical piece would be between 700 and 900 on average |
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Post by ironhamster on Apr 23, 2021 4:33:28 GMT
In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing there that couldn't be done at the same speed, or faster, with a heavier but rigid jian.
Also, one's body responds to exercise with muscle memory and muscle development.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd prefer to use a properly weighted but rigid stick than a floppy.
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Post by notthesharpest on Apr 23, 2021 18:04:10 GMT
Does anyone know what Sifu Scott Rodell's students do? I would think that would answer the question.
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Post by karasunoir on May 18, 2021 11:38:49 GMT
Does anyone know what Sifu Scott Rodell's students do? I would think that would answer the question. Scott Rodell do sword sparring mostly, so its diffrent from forms. A real sword is realy different from the "floppers", and gives you a more realistic outlook on the chinese sword arts, but if its not reeeeeeeealy slow and away from other people, doing forms with a sharp sword is dangerous. Even a slow swing can be dangerous if you are a beginner and drag the blade across one of your limbs. Pluss, if you are training with others, make sure its ok for them, that you use a real sword. In my experience, it usualy isnt |
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Post by notthesharpest on May 20, 2021 3:21:05 GMT
So, there's a quick clip of Sifu Rodell on Youtube that shows him doing a sword form (I am assuming Tai Chi) with a jian that does not look like a "flopper". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9VTu63NX5E)
I second karasunoir's comments re: forms with a live blade. It is common practice in S/SE Asian martial arts, at least those that I have come in contact with. Anyone who is going to practice this way needs to be very aware at all times - both of their surroundings and where the blade is in relation to their body. Although those admonitions apply to doing anything with a sharp tool.
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Post by kk on Jun 2, 2021 7:34:18 GMT
Wudang Eight Immortal Sword
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Post by tommyh on Jun 18, 2021 17:48:21 GMT
As an ex-wushu practitioner, I can tell you that pretty much any wushu form can be done with a live weapon. The reasons they are not performed with live weapons: (1) safety, obviously; and (2) floppy swords are actually a scoring metric in competition. Judges will use the sound to assess how powerful your actions are.
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Post by kk on Jun 23, 2021 9:18:07 GMT
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Post by kk on Jun 23, 2021 18:43:11 GMT
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Post by kk on Jun 23, 2021 18:45:58 GMT
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Post by kk on Jun 29, 2021 16:01:42 GMT
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