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Post by Brother Nathaniel on Nov 19, 2020 10:38:18 GMT
 For anyone interested in cryptozoology or the paranormal it is difficult to find a more intriguing subject then the Minnesota Iceman. A lot of controversy, evidence of it most likely being a hoax, claims for it possibly being two separate bodies, One fake and one real, etc. Supposedly someone claims to have it now and it's housed here. It's apparently fake. But again there is arguments that there is more then one. There is a whole lot to say about this but this is a synopsis. The Minnesota Iceman was a man-like creature frozen in a block of ice. It was displayed at shopping malls, state fairs, and carnivals in the United States and Canada in the 1960s and early 1970s and promoted as the legendary "missing link".
It has been described as male, human-like, 6 ft (~1.8 m) tall, hairy, with large hands and feet, very dark brown hair about 3 - 4 inches (~9 cm) long, and a flattened nose. One of its arms appeared to be broken and one of its eyes appeared to have been knocked out of its socket, allegedly by a bullet that was supposed to have entered the animal's head from behind.
Source of Synopsis.Here is some entertaining videos regarding it. The Minnesota Iceman is the first topic on both videos. This unsolved mysteries episode regarding it is especially interesting in that even the Doctor in Zoological research was fooled by it. Although there is a large amount of evidence of it being a hoax, it's still highly entertaining. |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 19, 2020 17:00:48 GMT
Cool! I love crazy stories like this. He's a video that goes into more detail about the Vietnam "rock apes".
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Post by edelweiss on Nov 19, 2020 17:55:10 GMT
hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/minnesota_icemanwiki "In February 2013, the Minnesota Iceman was reportedly auctioned on eBay. The listing read: "This is the actual sideshow gaff billed as "The Minnesota Iceman" by Frank Hansen in the 1960s. This is a one of a kind hoax that was fabricated by a mid-20th century showman."[5] It was purchased by Austin, Texas, "Museum of the Weird" owner Steve Busti, who has placed it on public display"
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Post by treeslicer on Nov 19, 2020 18:23:03 GMT
The Minnesota Iceman evolved from the Cardiff Giant. 
The Rock Apes might be a genuine cryptid that would repay more investigation, but I consider it very strange that I never heard any stories about it, at the time, from snake eaters and snipers who had extended patrolling experience. For comparison, I got seriously warned about tigers, land leeches, various snakes and other common hazards and nuisances.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 19, 2020 21:58:33 GMT
So what happened to Iceman, did someone forget to put him back into the freezer at the end of the day ?
A friend of mine who served with the Marines in Vietnan told me about Monkey Mountain and the rock throwing monkeys. Even showed me pictures.
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Post by Brother Nathaniel on Nov 19, 2020 22:00:37 GMT
So what happened to Iceman, did someone forget to put him back into the freezer at the end of the day ? A friend of mine who served with the Marines in Vietnan told me about Monkey Mountain and the rock throwing monkeys. Even showed me pictures. Good to see you back Gunnar  |
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 19, 2020 22:10:05 GMT
So what happened to Iceman, did someone forget to put him back into the freezer at the end of the day ? A friend of mine who served with the Marines in Vietnan told me about Monkey Mountain and the rock throwing monkeys. Even showed me pictures. Good to see you back Gunnar Thanks. |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 20, 2020 0:56:21 GMT
hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/minnesota_icemanwiki "In February 2013, the Minnesota Iceman was reportedly auctioned on eBay. The listing read: "This is the actual sideshow gaff billed as "The Minnesota Iceman" by Frank Hansen in the 1960s. This is a one of a kind hoax that was fabricated by a mid-20th century showman."[5] It was purchased by Austin, Texas, "Museum of the Weird" owner Steve Busti, who has placed it on public display" I'd love to run one of those weird museums, haha. Just going around and collecting all the strangest stuff you could find and making cool displays for it all. |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 20, 2020 1:00:02 GMT
The Minnesota Iceman evolved from the Cardiff Giant.
The Rock Apes might be a genuine cryptid that would repay more investigation, but I consider it very strange that I never heard any stories about it, at the time, from snake eaters and snipers who had extended patrolling experience. For comparison, I got seriously warned about tigers, land leeches, various snakes and other common hazards and nuisances.
So what happened to Iceman, did someone forget to put him back into the freezer at the end of the day ? A friend of mine who served with the Marines in Vietnan told me about Monkey Mountain and the rock throwing monkeys. Even showed me pictures. It's possible that it's all hogwash, but I think a small population of orangutans wouldn't be an unreasonable explanation. Orangutans are native to Indonesia and the surrounding area, so it's not too much of a jump in location. Even if it wasn't a native population; orangutans have always been kept as exotic pets throughout history. Maybe a couple escaped into the mountains and bred. |
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Post by Brother Nathaniel on Nov 20, 2020 1:25:57 GMT
hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/minnesota_icemanwiki "In February 2013, the Minnesota Iceman was reportedly auctioned on eBay. The listing read: "This is the actual sideshow gaff billed as "The Minnesota Iceman" by Frank Hansen in the 1960s. This is a one of a kind hoax that was fabricated by a mid-20th century showman."[5] It was purchased by Austin, Texas, "Museum of the Weird" owner Steve Busti, who has placed it on public display" I'd love to run one of those weird museums, haha. Just going around and collecting all the strangest stuff you could find and making cool displays for it all. My Goal is to eventually have a room in my house that contains purely strange stuff, artifacts, wet and taxidermy specimens, Cryptozoology, paranormal, Medical oddities and of course obscure weaponry. |
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Post by treeslicer on Nov 20, 2020 1:28:34 GMT
So what happened to Iceman, did someone forget to put him back into the freezer at the end of the day ? A friend of mine who served with the Marines in Vietnan told me about Monkey Mountain and the rock throwing monkeys. Even showed me pictures. Welcome back, Gunnar!
Monkey Mountain (which is the epicenter of many of these stories) was a collection of air defense and communications installations (Marines/Navy, USAF, and some Army functions) on a mountain overlooking Da Nang, and not somewhere way in the boonies. There were large bands of ordinary macaques (known as "rock apes") which wandered through the area. One theory I've heard about why they'd try the wire (which could set off the security people) was that when the mountaintop was leveled to put buildings on, it cut one of their traditional foraging routes. The area is, incidentally, frequently wreathed in visibility-reducing fog, which makes everything bigger and scarier when seen over sights. When pissed off, macaques are known to throw things accurately, and some similar species are well documented as attacking in packs. This is no earthshaking news, and I initially didn't connect these accounts with videos about Bigfoot.. 
The sasquatch style encounters are news to me, but frankly, would sound like a total "sea story" if there weren't some footprints and such being reported by the Vietnamese. I get the feeling that the various incidents of people firing up the Monkey Mountain rock apes have been grafted onto unrelated sightings of something large and hairy much farther up country. Stories told at the VFW, like the whisky served, improve with age.
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Post by Brother Nathaniel on Nov 20, 2020 2:03:05 GMT
So what happened to Iceman, did someone forget to put him back into the freezer at the end of the day ? A friend of mine who served with the Marines in Vietnan told me about Monkey Mountain and the rock throwing monkeys. Even showed me pictures. Welcome back, Gunnar!
Monkey Mountain (which is the epicenter of many of these stories) was a collection of air defense and communications installations (Marines/Navy, USAF, and some Army functions) on a mountain overlooking Da Nang, and not somewhere way in the boonies. There were large bands of ordinary macaques (known as "rock apes") which wandered through the area. One theory I've heard about why they'd try the wire (which could set off the security people) was that when the mountaintop was leveled to put buildings on, it cut one of their traditional foraging routes. The area is, incidentally, frequently wreathed in visibility-reducing fog, which makes everything bigger and scarier when seen over sights. When pissed off, macaques are known to throw things accurately, and some similar species are well documented as attacking in packs. This is no earthshaking news, and I initially didn't connect these incidents with videos about Bigfoot..
The sasquatch style encounters are news to me, but frankly, would sound like a total "sea story" if there weren't some footprints and such being reported by the Vietnamese. I get the feeling that the various incidents of people firing up the Monkey Mountain rock apes have been grafted onto unrelated sightings of something large and hairy much farther up country. Stories told at the VFW, like the whisky served, improve with age.
I think a good question would be how big were the rocks? This would indicate how large the animal was that was throwing them. I am sure macaques are strong for their size (About 15-17 lbs full grown) but I doubt they would be tossing larger sized rocks on top of people. |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 20, 2020 2:55:10 GMT
Sounds like a lot of monkey business to me.
I'll see myself out.
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Post by edelweiss on Nov 20, 2020 3:45:34 GMT
The only Vietnam war monkey story that sticks in mind was a monkey jumping into the huey with the troops. While gaining some altitude, the monkey was flipping out and finally tossed out. In pensive reflection, one muses "wow, look at him trying to fly".
Another first hand account I'll never forget wasn't regarding apes but suddenly makes me think of the film The Boys in Company C. The premise of the latter recollection within.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Nov 20, 2020 5:09:50 GMT
Welcome back, Gunnar!
Monkey Mountain (which is the epicenter of many of these stories) was a collection of air defense and communications installations (Marines/Navy, USAF, and some Army functions) on a mountain overlooking Da Nang, and not somewhere way in the boonies. There were large bands of ordinary macaques (known as "rock apes") which wandered through the area. One theory I've heard about why they'd try the wire (which could set off the security people) was that when the mountaintop was leveled to put buildings on, it cut one of their traditional foraging routes. The area is, incidentally, frequently wreathed in visibility-reducing fog, which makes everything bigger and scarier when seen over sights. When pissed off, macaques are known to throw things accurately, and some similar species are well documented as attacking in packs. This is no earthshaking news, and I initially didn't connect these incidents with videos about Bigfoot..
The sasquatch style encounters are news to me, but frankly, would sound like a total "sea story" if there weren't some footprints and such being reported by the Vietnamese. I get the feeling that the various incidents of people firing up the Monkey Mountain rock apes have been grafted onto unrelated sightings of something large and hairy much farther up country. Stories told at the VFW, like the whisky served, improve with age.
I think a good question would be how big were the rocks? This would indicate how large the animal was that was throwing them. I am sure macaques are strong for their size (About 15-17 lbs full grown) but I doubt they would be tossing larger sized rocks on top of people. The rocks were small baseball size and the monkeys were just regular size monkeys no believe it or not stories, no bigfoot stuff. But look out if you're not wearing your helmet. Unfortunately Archie past away about a year ago but I'll see if I can find the pictures on his FB page. |
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Post by warriorpoet on Dec 15, 2020 22:04:21 GMT
I remember reading about this in 1994. I received an "encyclopedia of the unexplained " for Christmas that year.
I was in fifth grade and devoured it!
I think there was talk from Ivan T Sanderson that there was an "original " ice man, and then he was swapped out for a bad dummy.
Whereabouts of the original remain unknown. As do the reasons for the swap. But myriad biologists and scientists surveyed the original and we're intrigued as you could clearly see gas bubbles frozen, decaying matters the wound that killed him etc. Crazy details that layman maay not notice.
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Post by JonSchwertFechter on Dec 19, 2020 5:58:32 GMT
A fellow Cryptozoological researcher and enthusuist on here, nice We should def. talk more Brother Nathaniel- and anyone else who shares this interest and is "open" enough to the wonder and fascination of such possibilities:)- The Minnesota Iceman here- is def. one of the More intriguing of the "Smoking guns" of the field or maybe "smoking but now tossed/lost somewhere in the Hudson".. kinda scenarios;)
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Post by Brother Nathaniel on Dec 19, 2020 7:31:31 GMT
A fellow Cryptozoological researcher and enthusuist on here, nice We should def. talk more Brother Nathaniel- and anyone else who shares this interest and is "open" enough to the wonder and fascination of such possibilities:)- The Minnesota Iceman here- is def. one of the More intriguing of the "Smoking guns" of the field or maybe "smoking but now tossed/lost somewhere in the Hudson".. kinda scenarios;) Of course, I am willing to talk about this any day of the week and twice on sunday. I am open to anything even semi-related including fantasy scenario threads, etc. I will participate and would do so with great enthusiasm. |
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But, hey....you've got a strong wife and healthy girls. Let THEM do the paddling. 
Watch out for the forest Elves and Gnomes. 
