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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 12, 2020 22:42:47 GMT
Very interesting results. Comparing this to the one where they tested the breastplate, I wonder if the shape and rigidity of the plate made it better at resisting penetration. The breastplate was 2.5 mm thick in the center, going down to 1.5 mm thick on the sides; while the brigandine here is made of 1.2 mm plates. So thickness probably had a lot to do with it as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 3:51:27 GMT
Don't these types of layered plate armour usually get their strength from the overlapping nature of their construction? Pretty much doubles the overall thickness, which makes thinner plates to be a necessary choice, due to weight
Although I have no surprise plate armour did better. The percussive force focused on an arrow point would have no trouble displacing plates, where the majority of the resistence would come from the leather/fabric they are riveted to, compared to solid steel. Truth be told, lately I've been just treating lamellar armour as something that is only cut resistant and percussion resistent, primarily. It does a wonderful job of displacing the force over its many plates, but I just don't see it being very good against thrusts, and arrows if shot head on (might be okay from arrows raining down on it?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:33:22 GMT
After watching it a few times I find it pretty cool that it functions very similar to a modern military vest. The way it can be punctured but it does keep it from fully being shot through, vs steel plate, which would just deflect it. Even in modern armour, sometimes you prefer the vest to catch the bullet, instead of deflecting, as you don't know where its gonna go after that and it creates new risks
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Nov 13, 2020 13:57:53 GMT
Don't these types of layered plate armour usually get their strength from the overlapping nature of their construction? Pretty much doubles the overall thickness, which makes thinner plates to be a necessary choice, due to weight No, the strength is in the materials. It's only double thick where it overlaps. I'd imagine, if he used hardened steel plates the arrows would be even less effective. But damn....the bruises those would leave... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 14:19:37 GMT
Don't these types of layered plate armour usually get their strength from the overlapping nature of their construction? Pretty much doubles the overall thickness, which makes thinner plates to be a necessary choice, due to weight No, the strength is in the materials. It's only double thick where it overlaps. I'd imagine, if he used hardened steel plates the arrows would be even less effective. But damn....the bruises those would leave... I assumed it would be more like lamellar where most of the total surface has overlapped steel. But I suppose it's not lamellar so that makes sense |
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Nov 13, 2020 19:17:10 GMT
Right.
The plates typically larger, and don't overlap much...
Lamellar is a whole different kettle of crazy
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 13, 2020 23:36:07 GMT
After watching it a few times I find it pretty cool that it functions very similar to a modern military vest. The way it can be punctured but it does keep it from fully being shot through, vs steel plate, which would just deflect it. Even in modern armour, sometimes you prefer the vest to catch the bullet, instead of deflecting, as you don't know where its gonna go after that and it creates new risks And the arrows definitely were flying all over the place with the breastplate test. The breastplate even had that V shaped ridge near the top of it to prevent arrows from getting deflected up into the wearer's neck. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 6:51:35 GMT
After watching it a few times I find it pretty cool that it functions very similar to a modern military vest. The way it can be punctured but it does keep it from fully being shot through, vs steel plate, which would just deflect it. Even in modern armour, sometimes you prefer the vest to catch the bullet, instead of deflecting, as you don't know where its gonna go after that and it creates new risks And the arrows definitely were flying all over the place with the breastplate test. The breastplate even had that V shaped ridge near the top of it to prevent arrows from getting deflected up into the wearer's neck. Yea it makes me wonder why modern steel breast plates Dont have that feature, as the ricochet to the neck is a real risk |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 14, 2020 7:20:42 GMT
And the arrows definitely were flying all over the place with the breastplate test. The breastplate even had that V shaped ridge near the top of it to prevent arrows from getting deflected up into the wearer's neck. Yea it makes me wonder why modern steel breast plates Dont have that feature, as the ricochet to the neck is a real risk Hmm, that's an interesting thought. From what I've seen in videos, bullets tend to just splatter when they hit plates. So maybe it's not much of an issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 7:22:09 GMT
Yea it makes me wonder why modern steel breast plates Dont have that feature, as the ricochet to the neck is a real risk Hmm, that's an interesting thought. From what I've seen in videos, bullets tend to just splatter when they hit plates. So maybe it's not much of an issue. On one hand it's enough of an issue to coat plates in an extra layer to help dispell the ricochete. |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 14, 2020 7:46:30 GMT
Hmm, that's an interesting thought. From what I've seen in videos, bullets tend to just splatter when they hit plates. So maybe it's not much of an issue. On one hand it's enough of an issue to coat plates in an extra layer to help dispell the ricochete. That's something I was unaware of, but yep, you're right - ricochet off modern armor plates is a thing. Here's an interesting video I just found with a quick Google: |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 8:06:25 GMT
On one hand it's enough of an issue to coat plates in an extra layer to help dispell the ricochete. That's something I was unaware of, but yep, you're right - ricochet off modern armor plates is a thing. Here's an interesting video I just found with a quick Google: It's why I buy my plates coated if I go steel |
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