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Post by howler on Nov 15, 2020 20:53:13 GMT
That is interesting if true. I wonder if that counts just elk (hard to beat on large game) or all animals. Also, I would think .308 to be more abundant, but don't know if that is a different measure of popularity (common vs popularity). Both is the ideal solution in any case if you have the cash and are big time into hunting, particularly larger game where the 300 Win Mag is superior. I hunt with 06 and the bullet is the most important part. Bonded bullets for elk, classic soft-points for deer. I even use the same grain, 150. The barnes bullets do awesome on elk. Bullet choice is so huge regarding penetration. .308 is kind of an updated 06, with the 06 having a bit more velocity and/or grain weight. Both are fine general hunting calibers and there isn't much you can't do with them. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 1, 2020 12:51:11 GMT
I hunt with 06 and the bullet is the most important part. Bonded bullets for elk, classic soft-points for deer. I even use the same grain, 150. The barnes bullets do awesome on elk. Bullet choice is so huge regarding penetration. .308 is kind of an updated 06, with the 06 having a bit more velocity and/or grain weight. Both are fine general hunting calibers and there isn't much you can't do with them. I generally hunt with .270, but .308 is my favorite all-purpose round. One of these days I'm going to commit to buying a Springfield Scout Squad. |
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Dec 1, 2020 13:51:39 GMT
Bullet choice is so huge regarding penetration. .308 is kind of an updated 06, with the 06 having a bit more velocity and/or grain weight. Both are fine general hunting calibers and there isn't much you can't do with them. I generally hunt with .270, but .308 is my favorite all-purpose round. One of these days I'm going to commit to buying a Springfield Scout Squad. My Scout has become my all time favorite rifle (just so much fun to shoot). I sold my National Match, but just could not get over how much I missed it. Instead of replacing it with another NM, I bought the Scout. Very happy with it. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 1, 2020 14:05:01 GMT
I generally hunt with .270, but .308 is my favorite all-purpose round. One of these days I'm going to commit to buying a Springfield Scout Squad. My Scout has become my all time favorite rifle (just so much fun to shoot). I sold my National Match, but just could not get over how much I missed it. Instead of replacing it with another NM, I bought the Scout. Very happy with it. Which stock variant did you go with? I'm partial to the walnut. |
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Dec 1, 2020 15:49:05 GMT
My Scout has become my all time favorite rifle (just so much fun to shoot). I sold my National Match, but just could not get over how much I missed it. Instead of replacing it with another NM, I bought the Scout. Very happy with it. Which stock variant did you go with? I'm partial to the walnut. I bought it as a special addition "Red, White and Blue" to match my custom Captain America Glock. (I know, cheesy as all heck, but I just couldn't pass it up). However, I have a surplus birch stock (with a dummy selector) but it is currently sighted in to a mil spec fiberglass stock with NM rubber butt pad. I like the fiberglass the best for shooting, but wood all day long for looks. The polymer S.A. stock is nice and light, but only comes out on the 4th of July.      My NM had a bedded walnut stock that was just gorgeous. I like the walnut better than birch, but the birch stock that I found looks pretty cool. |
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Post by howler on Dec 1, 2020 21:17:33 GMT
Bullet choice is so huge regarding penetration. .308 is kind of an updated 06, with the 06 having a bit more velocity and/or grain weight. Both are fine general hunting calibers and there isn't much you can't do with them. I generally hunt with .270, but .308 is my favorite all-purpose round. One of these days I'm going to commit to buying a Springfield Scout Squad. You put that in excellent context, as I understand the .270 to be a flatter shooting round when using lighter weight bullets while the .308 is everywhere with many great loads available. |
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Post by howler on Dec 1, 2020 21:25:40 GMT
Which stock variant did you go with? I'm partial to the walnut. I bought it as a special addition "Red, White and Blue" to match my custom Captain America Glock. (I know, cheesy as all heck, but I just couldn't pass it up). However, I have a surplus birch stock (with a dummy selector) but it is currently sighted in to a mil spec fiberglass stock with NM rubber butt pad. I like the fiberglass the best for shooting, but wood all day long for looks. The polymer S.A. stock is nice and light, but only comes out on the 4th of July. My NM had a bedded walnut stock that was just gorgeous. I like the walnut better than birch, but the birch stock that I found looks pretty cool. The military switched their M14/7.62 to synthetic (fiberglass) stock during Nam and had shipped a bunch to the troops when they decided to go with the M16/5.56MM platform. Very practical (heavy wood warping in the steamy jungle) but NOT so pretty. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 1, 2020 21:50:40 GMT
The weight difference between the synthetic and the walnut is only 11 ounces. So, it's not like there is a huge weight difference, and I am not an accessory fiend. All I expect to put on it is a sling and some optics.
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Post by leed on Dec 1, 2020 22:43:58 GMT
If I chose to carry the M-16 or any of it's variants, I'd be thinking LOTS of ammo and availability of more by scrounging.
It'd not want a one off caliber.
Now if I chose a hunting rifle...
Or a sniper 50.....
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Post by howler on Dec 1, 2020 22:47:41 GMT
The weight difference between the synthetic and the walnut is only 11 ounces. So, it's not like there is a huge weight difference, and I am not an accessory fiend. All I expect to put on it is a sling and some optics. The warping and durability were probably the biggest issues in Nam on M14 going to synthetic stock and, though not a big deal for us civilians, I suppose soldiers load out is ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain.  Oh, I should mention I own a synth stock standard Springfield M1A (to pair with my .308 Rem 700 Varmint), but wish it was set up for optics like your scout. |
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Post by leed on Dec 2, 2020 2:50:05 GMT
Aren't AR and variants already a fragile tight fit, even for factory 5.56?
Making it into a "sniper" rifle would compromise reliability, and make it a controlled environment toy.
1,000 yards? Best covered by elevated fire of a whole magazine.
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Post by howler on Dec 2, 2020 6:26:40 GMT
Aren't AR and variants already a fragile tight fit, even for factory 5.56? Making it into a "sniper" rifle would compromise reliability, and make it a controlled environment toy. 1,000 yards? Best covered by elevated fire of a whole magazine. AR generally has tighter tolerance than AK, though hardly fragile, as U.S. military has long ago wrung out the bugs and use to this very day with M4. For pure distance sniper I'd always go bolt over any semi, but for practical accuracy at shorter distances the quick follow up and suppressive ability are handy. |
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Post by nerdthenord on Dec 2, 2020 15:34:25 GMT
I'll chime in: my favorite ammo for my AR-15 is simple 55 grain bullets. Cheap, reliable, and accurate enough for my purposes. Anything heavier, other than maybe 62 grain, is just more expense considering I am not a military trained marksman who needs 77 grain 5.56 ammo for his MK12 SPR.
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Post by wlewisiii on Dec 3, 2020 2:58:02 GMT
My primary hunting round is 7x57 Mauser. There is nothing east of the Mississippi that I can't hunt with it and little I'd not want to hunt to the west.
OTOH, I also enjoy my new to me Krag so I'll probably use .30-40 more in the future.
The AR was a bad dream from when I was in the military. If I ever get a black rifle it'll be a Galil of some flavor.
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Post by seth on Dec 3, 2020 4:36:34 GMT
My primary hunting round is 7x57 Mauser. There is nothing east of the Mississippi that I can't hunt with it and little I'd not want to hunt to the west. OTOH, I also enjoy my new to me Krag so I'll probably use .30-40 more in the future. The AR was a bad dream from when I was in the military. If I ever get a black rifle it'll be a Galil of some flavor. The krag-a great caliber. We have an old war horse 3040 in the family that belonged to my grandpa. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 8:03:08 GMT
Among all the calibers used for the AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel is the best in business. The weapon is known to hit hard and performs exceptionally well to 1000 yards. It is the perfect suit for hunting and also ties with the 5.56 as the most versatile round. The superior round for the AR platform is the 5.56, much like the superior round for the Glock platform is the 9mm. Those are the rounds the weapons were designed around. If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool. Actually the AR15 is based on the AR10 which was designed around the .308/7.62×51 NATO round. The thing about the AR is its versatility. The best round for it is the one that you are most comfortable shooting. Availability of ammunition is important as well, but if you can utilize a larger calibre and are proficient with it, because if you use more rounds to hit the target then all that extra ammunition will be for naught. I have shot an M16A2 and an AR10. I liked and shot the AR10 better. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 8:04:13 GMT
Back on topic... 6.5 Grendel may not be the best at anything in particular, but it sure has a bad arse name! 😹😹😹😹 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 8:06:01 GMT
You are indeed correct. The German Stg44 in 8mm short influenced the designers of the FN but the practicality of meeting NATO's requirement (7.62 NATO) won out. The 7.62 will and should always have a place with a few squad designated marksman in a group who need added punch, just not like the standard intermediate AR/AK format you hand out to the general soldiers. Now as to a hunting AR caliber (currently on other thread) 6.5 Grendel and 7.62 NATO (even better for larger animals) are pretty fine. I cannot agree with you more on the 7.62×51 NATO. I prefer it myself. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Apr 6, 2021 13:22:54 GMT
The superior round for the AR platform is the 5.56, much like the superior round for the Glock platform is the 9mm. Those are the rounds the weapons were designed around. If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool. Actually the AR15 is based on the AR10 which was designed around the .308/7.62×51 NATO round. The thing about the AR is its versatility. The best round for it is the one that you are most comfortable shooting. Availability of ammunition is important as well, but if you can utilize a larger calibre and are proficient with it, because if you use more rounds to hit the target then all that extra ammunition will be for naught. I have shot an M16A2 and an AR10. I liked and shot the AR10 better. I stand corrected...  The ArmaLite AR-10 is a 7.62×51mm NATO battle rifle developed by Eugene Stoner in the late 1950s and manufactured by ArmaLite, then a division of the Fairchild Aircraft Corporation. When first introduced in 1956, the AR-10 used an innovative straight-line barrel/stock design with phenolic composite and forged alloy parts resulting in a small arm significantly easier to control in automatic fire and over 1 lb (0.45 kg) lighter than other infantry rifles of the day.[1] Over its production life, the original AR-10 was built in relatively small numbers, with fewer than 10,000 rifles assembled. However, the ArmaLite AR-10 would become the progenitor for a wide range of firearms. In 1957, the basic AR-10 design was rescaled and substantially modified by ArmaLite to accommodate the .223 Remington cartridge, and given the designation ArmaLite AR-15.[2] |
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Post by 14thforsaken on May 14, 2022 0:41:04 GMT
I know this a thread necromancy, but I prefer the .300 AAC Blackout round for the AR platforms. Lots of bullet options: subsonic, supersonic, max expanding, fragmenting, frangible, max cavitating just to name a few. The round is the same basic height as the .223 but since cartridge stops halfway up they can fit a .308 round in it. Plus the round can be fired from barrels as short as 9 inches or a regular barrel. For once they gave the dark ops community some of the items on their wish list.
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Oh, I should mention I own a synth stock standard Springfield M1A (to pair with my .308 Rem 700 Varmint), but wish it was set up for optics like your scout.
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