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Post by justinharvey on Nov 7, 2020 11:18:56 GMT
Among all the calibers used for the AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel is the best in business. The weapon is known to hit hard and performs exceptionally well to 1000 yards. It is the perfect suit for hunting and also ties with the 5.56 as the most versatile round. |
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Nov 7, 2020 13:19:44 GMT
I see. Welcome to the forum.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 7, 2020 13:53:46 GMT
Welcome to the forum Justinharvey. To say “Among all the calibers used for the AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel is the best in business” is an ambiguous statement. Best from what prospective? There is more to consider than just ballistics. How about availability or interchangeability? I’ll tell you it’s a damn good feeling when you run dry to yell to your buddy and he throws you a full magazine. OK, so that’s one scenario and may never apply to you but still availability. I dare say it will be easier to find 5.56 ammo whether commercial or surplus than a Grendel. And the weapon itself? I don’t know what parts are interchangeable with a standard AR-15 but again I dare say it will be far easier to find a 5.56 mm part than something specialized for the Grendel chambering. Just a few ideas to consider that immediately come to light, I’ve been out of the business for a few decades now.
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Post by howler on Nov 7, 2020 20:15:59 GMT
Grendel is nice for distance as well as hunting larger game but .556 tops it in all other areas. Lower recoil (less wear on gun, faster follow up shots), higher capacity, lighter carry weight, availability. I think the 6.5 caliber is nice but think a little less power would be ideal in replacing the .556.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 7, 2020 20:36:34 GMT
Among all the calibers used for the AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel is the best in business. The weapon is known to hit hard and performs exceptionally well to 1000 yards. It is the perfect suit for hunting and also ties with the 5.56 as the most versatile round. The superior round for the AR platform is the 5.56, much like the superior round for the Glock platform is the 9mm. Those are the rounds the weapons were designed around. If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool. |
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Nov 7, 2020 22:23:18 GMT
Among all the calibers used for the AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel is the best in business. The weapon is known to hit hard and performs exceptionally well to 1000 yards. It is the perfect suit for hunting and also ties with the 5.56 as the most versatile round. The superior round for the AR platform is the 5.56, much like the superior round for the Glock platform is the 9mm. Those are the rounds the weapons were designed around. If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool. Off topic, but I really, really want an M1A Scout/Squad in 6.5 Creedmoor. I know it was designed to shoot 7.62 NATO, but I'd be the only kid on my block with one. |
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Nov 7, 2020 22:27:21 GMT
Back on topic...
6.5 Grendel may not be the best at anything in particular, but it sure has a bad arse name!
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Post by howler on Nov 8, 2020 2:32:38 GMT
Among all the calibers used for the AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel is the best in business. The weapon is known to hit hard and performs exceptionally well to 1000 yards. It is the perfect suit for hunting and also ties with the 5.56 as the most versatile round. The superior round for the AR platform is the 5.56, much like the superior round for the Glock platform is the 9mm. Those are the rounds the weapons were designed around. If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool. Interestingly, I think the FN FAL was originally designed to use an intermediate less powerful cartridge (.280 British/NATO), somewhat similar to the 6.5 but the powers that be pushed for the abundant .308 to deal with the Red Army pushing through the open fields of Europe. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 8, 2020 2:53:17 GMT
The superior round for the AR platform is the 5.56, much like the superior round for the Glock platform is the 9mm. Those are the rounds the weapons were designed around. If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool. Interestingly, I think the FN FAL was originally designed to use an intermediate less powerful cartridge (.280 British/NATO), somewhat similar to the 6.5 but the powers that be pushed for the abundant .308 to deal with the Red Army pushing through the open fields of Europe. You are indeed correct. The German Stg44 in 8mm short influenced the designers of the FN but the practicality of meeting NATO's requirement (7.62 NATO) won out. |
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Post by howler on Nov 8, 2020 3:03:31 GMT
Interestingly, I think the FN FAL was originally designed to use an intermediate less powerful cartridge (.280 British/NATO), somewhat similar to the 6.5 but the powers that be pushed for the abundant .308 to deal with the Red Army pushing through the open fields of Europe. You are indeed correct. The German Stg44 in 8mm short influenced the designers of the FN but the practicality of meeting NATO's requirement (7.62 NATO) won out. The 7.62 will and should always have a place with a few squad designated marksman in a group who need added punch, just not like the standard intermediate AR/AK format you hand out to the general soldiers. Now as to a hunting AR caliber (currently on other thread) 6.5 Grendel and 7.62 NATO (even better for larger animals) are pretty fine. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 8, 2020 3:11:33 GMT
You are indeed correct. The German Stg44 in 8mm short influenced the designers of the FN but the practicality of meeting NATO's requirement (7.62 NATO) won out. The 7.62 will and should always have a place with a few squad designated marksman in a group who need added punch, just not like the standard intermediate AR/AK format you hand out to the general soldiers. Now as to a hunting AR caliber (currently on other thread) 6.5 Grendel and 7.62 NATO (even better for larger animals) are pretty fine. My standard hunting rifle is a Weatherby Fiberguard in .308 and I feel it is acceptable for anything in the lower 48 states. That said, I only hunted wild pig, white tail and mule deer, and elk. I admit when hunting elk, I used a Weatherby Mark V in 300 Wby mag. because of the size of the animals and the distances that can be involved. |
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Post by howler on Nov 8, 2020 3:19:28 GMT
The 7.62 will and should always have a place with a few squad designated marksman in a group who need added punch, just not like the standard intermediate AR/AK format you hand out to the general soldiers. Now as to a hunting AR caliber (currently on other thread) 6.5 Grendel and 7.62 NATO (even better for larger animals) are pretty fine. My standard hunting rifle is a Weatherby Fiberguard in .308 and I feel it is acceptable for anything in the lower 48 states. That said, I only hunted wild pig, white tail and mule deer, and elk. I admit when hunting elk, I used a Weatherby Mark V in 300 Wby mag. because of the size of the animals and the distances that can be involved. Elk can be HUGE, and my friend took his last with a 300 Win Mag. I understand many hunt boar in the south (an invasive species I'd like to reduce myself) with .223. I think .308 is the most common hunting round (also clearly abundant in military) but not 100% sure, so good prepper round. |
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Post by paulmuaddib on Nov 8, 2020 14:20:26 GMT
My standard hunting rifle is a Weatherby Fiberguard in .308 and I feel it is acceptable for anything in the lower 48 states. That said, I only hunted wild pig, white tail and mule deer, and elk. I admit when hunting elk, I used a Weatherby Mark V in 300 Wby mag. because of the size of the animals and the distances that can be involved. Elk can be HUGE, and my friend took his last with a 300 Win Mag. I understand many hunt boar in the south (an invasive species I'd like to reduce myself) with .223. I think .308 is the most common hunting round (also clearly abundant in military) but not 100% sure, so good prepper round. Howler, just did a quick google search and it seems the 300 Win Mag is the most popular hunting caliber. I thought it would be the 30-06 which is 2nd. That was just a quick search, could be wrong |
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 8, 2020 17:50:14 GMT
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Post by howler on Nov 8, 2020 21:19:08 GMT
Elk can be HUGE, and my friend took his last with a 300 Win Mag. I understand many hunt boar in the south (an invasive species I'd like to reduce myself) with .223. I think .308 is the most common hunting round (also clearly abundant in military) but not 100% sure, so good prepper round. Howler, just did a quick google search and it seems the 300 Win Mag is the most popular hunting caliber. I thought it would be the 30-06 which is 2nd. That was just a quick search, could be wrong That is interesting if true. I wonder if that counts just elk (hard to beat on large game) or all animals. Also, I would think .308 to be more abundant, but don't know if that is a different measure of popularity (common vs popularity). Both is the ideal solution in any case if you have the cash and are big time into hunting, particularly larger game where the 300 Win Mag is superior. |
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Post by bas on Nov 9, 2020 3:40:36 GMT
If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool.
What are you shooting that the FN FAL is the right tool for the job? I used to own a G1 and while they are a fun rifle to shoot they have their own draw backs. I think I'd prefer the AR10 if I was scaling up to a 7.62x51 auto-loader.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 9, 2020 6:13:00 GMT
If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool.
What are you shooting that the FN FAL is the right tool for the job? I used to own a G1 and while they are a fun rifle to shoot they have their own draw backs. I think I'd prefer the AR10 if I was scaling up to a 7.62x51 auto-loader.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 14:56:35 GMT
'06 had one been touted as the most versatile cartridge, with loads from squirrel to bear and beyond. However, by the 1990s, most felt the cartridge was becoming a bit geriatric. After some range time one weekend about 1993, we headed to one of the largest gun shops in New England. They did not have even one box of '06. Three loads for the 7x57 Mauser we were plinking with but not one round of '06.
With the development of other specialty cartridges and the prevalence of .308, .30-06 has kind of gone the way of the olden days. There are a few new rifles are being produced in the caliber. My sporterized 03 A3 in a Remington stock is a real sweetie and has gone out to pasture in Wisconsin. 180 grain soft point in either .308 or '06 are consistent rounds with plenty of punch. A friend always used to have some 220 grain soft point for the two legged bear in Boston but it had always seemed a bit much for the task unless really going out for polar bear or rhino.
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Post by seth on Nov 15, 2020 0:12:24 GMT
The superior round for the AR platform is the 5.56, much like the superior round for the Glock platform is the 9mm. Those are the rounds the weapons were designed around. If your AR in 5.56 isn't doing the job, step up to an HK91/FN FAL in 7.62! Use the right tool for the job, don't try and modify the wrong tool. Off topic, but I really, really want an M1A Scout/Squad in 6.5 Creedmoor. I know it was designed to shoot 7.62 NATO, but I'd be the only kid on my block with one. That would be a nice set-up. It should fit fine in the same mags for the 308 too. |
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Post by seth on Nov 15, 2020 0:15:35 GMT
Howler, just did a quick google search and it seems the 300 Win Mag is the most popular hunting caliber. I thought it would be the 30-06 which is 2nd. That was just a quick search, could be wrong That is interesting if true. I wonder if that counts just elk (hard to beat on large game) or all animals. Also, I would think .308 to be more abundant, but don't know if that is a different measure of popularity (common vs popularity). Both is the ideal solution in any case if you have the cash and are big time into hunting, particularly larger game where the 300 Win Mag is superior. I hunt with 06 and the bullet is the most important part. Bonded bullets for elk, classic soft-points for deer. I even use the same grain, 150. The barnes bullets do awesome on elk. |
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