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Post by winstonrussel on Oct 31, 2020 6:20:30 GMT
There are several factors why you should try the AR-15 for home defense. Firstly, you need to understand that this gun can be customized to any extent. You can use it to take down multiple targets. Since the weapon has a 20-30 round magazine capacity, you need not worry at all. The main thing is that this firearm is lightweight and highly versatile. When you look into several weapons, you can conclude that the AR-15 is easy to use. It is a fine gun that is suited for beginners.
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Post by redgolden on Oct 31, 2020 13:32:40 GMT
Isn't this off topic ?
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Post by William Swiger on Oct 31, 2020 14:33:37 GMT
Moved to appropriate section.
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Post by William Swiger on Oct 31, 2020 14:36:15 GMT
I have a few AR/AK firearms but still use a revolver in 357 magnum as my home gun. I would only pull the trigger if they were in my house and a revolver is pretty dummy proof and will not have a malfunction that would prevent it from firing.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 31, 2020 15:02:11 GMT
The AR or any fast repeating long gun is a fine weapon for perimeter defense however in the confines of the
average American home, hallways/rooms, without a lot of CQB training, the ability to effectively wield the weapon as well as weapon retention become major issues for the average homeowner. A reasonable skilled opponent can easily deflect or pin a rifle used by the untrained in night room clearing. In the dark confines of your home, half asleep, weapons retention is everything. Its impossible to aim and fire a rifle one handed while grappling with the burglar who just rushed you in the dark from a corner/shadow/closet
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There is a reason that handguns/subguns/SBR's are used by professionals in these situations. If you live in a state where you can own a subgun/SBR either of those would be my first choice (however I have had a lot of training)followed by a handgun. My recommendation is for the average homeowner to get a semi auto handgun with a weapons mounted light and spend some money on a couple basic "tactical handgun" classes to lay a foundation of weapons familiarity/manipulation and basic combative shooting and then train periodically to maintain the skill set.
All that said, While I have have cleared structures a hundred times in training, and "might" do so if presented with a burglary situation, the best advice I can give the untrained is to;
- exit the house and call police. If not;
- arm yourself and collect family members in your master bedroom
- make sure you know where everyone who is supposed to be in the house is..
- put everyone one in a defensible place to defend
- lock/barricade master bedroom door, cover behind mattress and dial 911, DO NOT EVER HANG UP!
- let police know entire family is barricaded in master bedroom and you are armed
- do NOT COME OUT until the police come and get you.
- shoot anyone trying to force the door open. You may want to shoot thru the door but this does violate the self defense tenet of visually identifying the threat before shooting. (check and see if your state has a castle doctrine).
PS to the OP; The AR is a fine gun for a beginner in so much as it is easy to shoot/operate. Until you have a failure/stoppage...then a fair amount of training is needed ( usually more than with a semi handgun) to deal with the situation, especially to deal with it quickly under stress/combat conditions.
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Post by Paul Muad’Dib on Oct 31, 2020 15:22:47 GMT
Has anyone looked at the op’s profile? He has a AR15 website. Looks like advertising to me. But what do I know?
Edit: Personally agree with LordNewport’s advise on home defense. Especially knowing your state laws concerning home defense. You could defend your home and still possibly end up with jail time. Sad but true. Knowledge is power.
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Post by demented on Oct 31, 2020 15:22:48 GMT
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 31, 2020 16:04:05 GMT
In the hands of a trained operator, any weapon you are familiar with is a good home defense weapon. The AR is the weapon system with which that author has without a doubt one of the highest degrees of familiarity/expertise one can have and the author is a skilled and proven warrior. This author is just one more defending the AR platform as a home defense weapon as pushback to those who view it as a weapon ofwar/battlefield only weapon. Regardless of others opinions, It is my opinion that in the dark close quarters combat most likely to occur inside your home during a burglary, the untrained are better served with a pistol with a light on it. Most all American gun owners are "untrained". Going to a square range and shooting from a static position at a static target, with no prior professional instruction, is not "training" IMHO. |
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Post by demented on Oct 31, 2020 18:57:43 GMT
In the hands of a trained operator, any weapon you are familiar with is a good home defense weapon. The AR is the weapon system with which that author has without a doubt one of the highest degrees of familiarity/expertise one can have and the author is a skilled and proven warrior. Regardless of others opinions, It is my opinion that in the dark close quarters combat most likely to occur inside your home during a burglary, the untrained are better served with a pistol with a light on it. Most all American gun owners are "untrained". Going to a square range and shooting from a static position at a static target, with no prior professional instruction, is not "training" IMHO. Well I have training under qualified instructors, I spent serious money getting familiar with the weapon and learning how to use it for defensive situations. Its no more unsafe than a shotgun with the proper ammo selection. I support gun rights and consider the anti-gunners arguements mostly ignorant knee jerk responses to deter the issue & blame from people to inanimate objects. Tons of experts against over-regulating those firearms too, its not a clear-cut issue and definitely not a suitable topic for this forum. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree here. |
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Post by howler on Oct 31, 2020 20:53:40 GMT
The AR or any fast repeating long gun is a fine weapon for parameter defense however in the confines of the average American home, hallways/rooms, without a lot of CQB training, the ability to effectively wield the weapon as well as weapon retention become major issues for the average homeowner. A reasonable skilled opponent can easily deflect or pin a rifle used by the untrained in night room clearing. In the dark confines of your home, half asleep, weapons retention is everything. Its impossible to aim and fire a rifle one handed while grappling with the burglar who just rushed you in the dark from a corner/shadow/closet . There is a reason that handguns/subguns/SBR's are used by professionals in these situations. If you live in a state where you can own a subgun/SBR either of those would be my first choice (however I have had a lot of training)followed by a handgun. My recommendation is for the average homeowner to get a semi auto handgun with a weapons mounted light and spend some money on a couple basic "tactical handgun" classes to lay a foundation of weapons familiarity/manipulation and basic combative shooting and then train periodically to maintain the skill set. All that said, While I have have cleared structures a hundred times in training, and "might" do so if presented with a burglary situation, the best advice I can give the untrained is to; - exit the house and call police of not; - arm yourself and collect family members in your master bedroom - make sure you know where everyone who is supposed to be in the house is.. - put everyone one in a defensible place to defend - lock/barricade master bedroom door, cover behind mattress and dial 911, DO NOT EVER HANG UP! - let police know entire family is barricaded in master bedroom and you are armed - do NOT COME OUT until the police come and get you. - shoot anyone trying to force the door open. You may want to shoot thru the door but this does violate the self defense tenet of visually identifying the threat before shooting. (check and see if your state has a castle doctrine). PS to the OP; The AR is a fine gun for a beginner in so much as it is easy to shoot/operate. Until you have a failure/stoppage...then a fair amount of training is needed ( usually more than with a semi handgun) to deal with the situation, especially to deal with it quickly under stress/combat conditions. I agree that level of training/familiarity should dictate choice, but also that time to access weapons is a variable. With sufficient time and adequate ability I'd want a AR carbine (16" barrel) WITH sling AND an 8 shot .357/38 in holster on my belt. Oh, and electronic ear muffs. No/little training then NOTHING beats 8 shot .357 revolver because of simplicity, reliability (no magazine interface) and can't knock out of battery. |
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Post by William Swiger on Oct 31, 2020 21:13:34 GMT
Some information removed from posts that were political. Keep politics out of your posts or this thread will end up closed. I am a firm 2nd Amendment supporter but this forum is not the place to discuss politics.
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Post by tdiamante on Oct 31, 2020 22:07:03 GMT
I'm partial to a short pistol caliber carbine with a light and a decent optic for indside the home, IF you're talking about untrained individuals. I have a Beretta CX4 Storm in 9mm and I've seen lots of beginners shoot it very well at close range with no prior experience. I personally spend a lot of time training with handguns, so I get home, take my carry gun off, put a light on it and leave it on the nightstand(I live alone).
That's just my $0.02, please don't take any of this as legitimate advice... seek professional instruction with any weapon you're unfamiliar with.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 31, 2020 23:55:26 GMT
I'm partial to a short pistol caliber carbine with a light and a decent optic for indside the home, IF you're talking about untrained individuals. I have a Beretta CX4 Storm in 9mm and I've seen lots of beginners shoot it very well at close range with no prior experience. I personally spend a lot of time training with handguns, so I get home, take my carry gun off, put a light on it and leave it on the nightstand(I live alone). That's just my $0.02, please don't take any of this as legitimate advice... seek professional instruction with any weapon you're unfamiliar with. It's too easy to deflect or pin a rifle/carbine at contact distances. There is a reason LE/military units dedicated to structure clearing use a sub machine gun or short barreled rifle...and then the weapons stay on a sling with a pistol as a backup. |
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Post by tdiamante on Nov 1, 2020 21:45:16 GMT
It's too easy to deflect or pin a rifle/carbine at contact distances. There is a reason LE/military units dedicated to structure clearing use a sub machine gun or short barreled rifle...and then the weapons stay on a sling with a pistol as a backup. That's another reason I like the CX4, it's about the length of a 10.5 SBR AR. |
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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 2, 2020 1:38:28 GMT
That's another reason I like the CX4, it's about the length of a 10.5 SBR AR. CX4: fantastic PCC, worst trigger I’ve ever used. Still, the thing is otherwise perfect. Light and balanced enough tat even someone as small and unhealthy as I am can use it like it weighs nothing, it’s quiet enough that you can fire it indoors without hearing protection no problem (don’t ask how I know this) and with the magazine inserts for 92 mags it can run the same magazine as your beretta pistol. But damn is that trigger not mushy and creepy. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 6:59:30 GMT
The AR or any fast repeating long gun is a fine weapon for parameter defense however in the confines of the average American home, hallways/rooms, without a lot of CQB training, the ability to effectively wield the weapon as well as weapon retention become major issues for the average homeowner. A reasonable skilled opponent can easily deflect or pin a rifle used by the untrained in night room clearing. In the dark confines of your home, half asleep, weapons retention is everything. Its impossible to aim and fire a rifle one handed while grappling with the burglar who just rushed you in the dark from a corner/shadow/closet . There is a reason that handguns/subguns/SBR's are used by professionals in these situations. If you live in a state where you can own a subgun/SBR either of those would be my first choice (however I have had a lot of training)followed by a handgun. My recommendation is for the average homeowner to get a semi auto handgun with a weapons mounted light and spend some money on a couple basic "tactical handgun" classes to lay a foundation of weapons familiarity/manipulation and basic combative shooting and then train periodically to maintain the skill set. All that said, While I have have cleared structures a hundred times in training, and "might" do so if presented with a burglary situation, the best advice I can give the untrained is to; - exit the house and call police of not; - arm yourself and collect family members in your master bedroom - make sure you know where everyone who is supposed to be in the house is.. - put everyone one in a defensible place to defend - lock/barricade master bedroom door, cover behind mattress and dial 911, DO NOT EVER HANG UP! - let police know entire family is barricaded in master bedroom and you are armed - do NOT COME OUT until the police come and get you. - shoot anyone trying to force the door open. You may want to shoot thru the door but this does violate the self defense tenet of visually identifying the threat before shooting. (check and see if your state has a castle doctrine). PS to the OP; The AR is a fine gun for a beginner in so much as it is easy to shoot/operate. Until you have a failure/stoppage...then a fair amount of training is needed ( usually more than with a semi handgun) to deal with the situation, especially to deal with it quickly under stress/combat conditions. It is well that I have had that training and can get it more detailed due to my combat veteran da. My mum may not like it though. 😹 Not that it really matters in my case. I cannot even use my bare hands to defend myself. Let this be a lesson to those who have clean records. Stay away from crime. It can and often does ruin your life for the rest of it. If you are on parole or probation (I am on probation) in the state that I live in, it is literally near impossible to defend yourself or others without getting into trouble. Messed up yes, but it is what it is. Play the crime game pay the price when you lose. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Apr 29, 2021 13:56:28 GMT
The AR or any fast repeating long gun is a fine weapon for perimeter defense however in the confines of the average American home, hallways/rooms, without a lot of CQB training, the ability to effectively wield the weapon as well as weapon retention become major issues for the average homeowner. A reasonable skilled opponent can easily deflect or pin a rifle used by the untrained in night room clearing. In the dark confines of your home, half asleep, weapons retention is everything. Its impossible to aim and fire a rifle one handed while grappling with the burglar who just rushed you in the dark from a corner/shadow/closet . There is a reason that handguns/subguns/SBR's are used by professionals in these situations. If you live in a state where you can own a subgun/SBR either of those would be my first choice (however I have had a lot of training)followed by a handgun. My recommendation is for the average homeowner to get a semi auto handgun with a weapons mounted light and spend some money on a couple basic "tactical handgun" classes to lay a foundation of weapons familiarity/manipulation and basic combative shooting and then train periodically to maintain the skill set. All that said, While I have have cleared structures a hundred times in training, and "might" do so if presented with a burglary situation, the best advice I can give the untrained is to; - exit the house and call police. If not; - arm yourself and collect family members in your master bedroom - make sure you know where everyone who is supposed to be in the house is.. - put everyone one in a defensible place to defend - lock/barricade master bedroom door, cover behind mattress and dial 911, DO NOT EVER HANG UP! - let police know entire family is barricaded in master bedroom and you are armed - do NOT COME OUT until the police come and get you. - shoot anyone trying to force the door open. You may want to shoot thru the door but this does violate the self defense tenet of visually identifying the threat before shooting. (check and see if your state has a castle doctrine). PS to the OP; The AR is a fine gun for a beginner in so much as it is easy to shoot/operate. Until you have a failure/stoppage...then a fair amount of training is needed ( usually more than with a semi handgun) to deal with the situation, especially to deal with it quickly under stress/combat conditions. It is well that I have had that training and can get it more detailed due to my combat veteran da. My mum may not like it though. 😹 Not that it really matters in my case. I cannot even use my bare hands to defend myself. Let this be a lesson to those who have clean records. Stay away from crime. It can and often does ruin your life for the rest of it. If you are on parole or probation (I am on probation) in the state that I live in, it is literally near impossible to defend yourself or others without getting into trouble. Messed up yes, but it is what it is. Play the crime game pay the price when you lose. It is unfortunate that making serious one time mistakes can have such long term/life altering consequences but life has always been like that. One should also look at it from the other side of the equation... - How many times does one break the law before getting caught? - Once someone intellectually/morally "crosses the Rubicon" to commit serious crime, how much trust should society still have and at what risk? We do not know what you did and who if anyone was harmed by your crime, but you seem truly remorseful and clearly are taking responsibility for your situation. I hope you can continue to work thru your circumstance and and keep moving forward. Cheers! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 5:17:34 GMT
It is well that I have had that training and can get it more detailed due to my combat veteran da. My mum may not like it though. 😹 Not that it really matters in my case. I cannot even use my bare hands to defend myself. Let this be a lesson to those who have clean records. Stay away from crime. It can and often does ruin your life for the rest of it. If you are on parole or probation (I am on probation) in the state that I live in, it is literally near impossible to defend yourself or others without getting into trouble. Messed up yes, but it is what it is. Play the crime game pay the price when you lose. It is unfortunate that making serious one time mistakes can have such long term/life altering consequences but life has always been like that. One should also look at it from the other side of the equation... - How many times does one break the law before getting caught? - Once someone intellectually/morally "crosses the Rubicon" to commit serious crime, how much trust should society still have and at what risk? We do not know what you did and who if anyone was harmed by your crime, but you seem truly remorseful and clearly are taking responsibility for your situation. I hope you can continue to work thru your circumstance and and keep moving forward. Cheers! Thanks for your vote of confidence in me. I greatly appreciate it. People like you who are directly in my life that I have been blessed with are one of the reasons that I gave up on giving up. I almost demanded to my POs to send me back. They and the detective who arrested me were against it and even said that of all the ones they know, I have the best chance of making it. I am grateful for you who encourage me so. |
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Post by glendon on Aug 16, 2021 2:34:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 3:41:07 GMT
Thanks for your vote of confidence in me. I greatly appreciate it. People like you who are directly in my life that I have been blessed with are one of the reasons that I gave up on giving up. I almost demanded to my POs to send me back. They and the detective who arrested me were against it and even said that of all the ones they know, I have the best chance of making it. I am grateful for you who encourage me so. I am late to the forum and off topic, but I could not let this go unaddressed: In the eyes of the Lutheran church, we tend tend to focus on the fact that "...all have fallen short of the glory of God." I am an Ohioan of Scots ancestry; one of my fore-father's sayings was, "Hang a thief when he's young, and he won't steal when he's old." I'm glad we don't judge that harshly anymore. In my own life, I can honestly say, as so many have, "There but for the grace of God, go I." Except in a few cases, where I did go, and paid a hefty 'effin fee. No real time, though. Christ, who even if you question his divinity was an astute observer of human psychology, was very clear on this point: To think is equivalent with to do. You wish a man dead, you have committed murder; you fantasize about a woman, you commit adultery. The problem with "society" judging criminals, is that frequently those very people are every bit as guilty--and perhaps worse, in that they refuse to acknowledge their failings--as the so-called "criminal". They hide behind the limitations of temporal law, perhaps even preach against lawlessness, but in regards to the Deity, they fall just as far. Worse, they focus on the minor lawlessness of minor citizens to distract attention away from fantastic evils committed by the "great ones". There is a line to be drawn, and "society" does have a dog in this fight. But too often, the "Rubicon" crossed is a serious crime only to the ruling government, and in many times and places wouldn't have been worth a second look. Kill a slave in 12 A.D. Rome? Merely reducing inventory. Criticize the Emperor? Its crucifixion for you! Heck, in 1966, having two rolled joints could get you a 15-year sentence in the South. I find it amazing that our society is as vengeful as it is: There is a seeming need to villify everyone who has ever been CAUGHT--as if most of us didn't shred the Commandments daily--and then never, ever let them back into the fold. There's a desperate need for a scapegoat--almost as if we're scared of being found out, ourselves... Sparkedtiger, only you know for certain. Recovery involves accepting responsibility and making amends. But despite "society"'s condemnation, true forgiveness and redemption is possible. Once upon a time, "Polite Society" wore wigs and face powder to conceal their syphilitic sores. Peace, and strength, be given unto you upon your journey. Thank you. That means a lot to me. It is not easy when one has a black stain in this world, but the hope I have is in those who are willing to see the white behind the black and give us a chance to show who we afe striving to become. It is a tough and difficult road we walk, but thanks for those who give us encouragement to carry on and so I do carry on. |
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