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Post by haon on Oct 15, 2020 7:35:07 GMT
So, I guess this thread is not what is usual asked here, however, I'm a goldsmith and my chef once told me that goldsmiths were allowed to wear an epee because they were closer to the aristocratic society due to their job (at least in Germany, but I don't know which time period except "middle ages"). I've never experienced that he told me anything about the job that wasn't true, but I wasn't able to find any verification for this on the internet or in my books, let alone historical examples of these weapons (if they were different from normal a epee),maybe someone here knows more or has pictures of examples.
Furthermore, during my research I read that there also was a version of the epee where two epees were worn in one scabbard, similarly to the chinese shuang dao which had each one half of a "tsuba"...does anyone have pictures of this or can confirm that? Would be interesting to see with two epees in on scabbard...
Best regards
Haon
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Post by MOK on Oct 15, 2020 14:24:33 GMT
Well, to begin with, epees are not a Medieval thing. It's possible he was thinking of goldsmiths' guild members of a certain rank having ceremonial swords in 18th-19th Century or so; this is still a thing for doctors (PhD) in Finland, for example. And yes, there are things called a " case of swords", where two rapiers, smallswords or such forerunners of the epee are made with asymmetric furniture to fit in the same scabbard. They're mostly either for dueling weapons (one for each combatant, in a convenient and compact package) or fancy curios for people who either were or wanted to be seen as fencing masters skilled enough to use two swords at once (which is somewhat counterproductive under most circumstances, and thus usually a gratuitous show of skill more than anything). Some cases of rapiers:      |
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Post by haon on Oct 15, 2020 16:45:44 GMT
Well, to begin with, epees are not a Medieval thing. It's possible he was thinking of goldsmiths' guild members of a certain rank having ceremonial swords in 18th-19th Century or so; this is still a thing for doctors (PhD) in Finland, for example. And yes, there are things called a " case of swords", where two rapiers, smallswords or such forerunners of the epee are made with asymmetric furniture to fit in the same scabbard. They're mostly either for dueling weapons (one for each combatant, in a convenient and compact package) or fancy curios for people who either were or wanted to be seen as fencing masters skilled enough to use two swords at once (which is somewhat counterproductive under most circumstances, and thus usually a gratuitous show of skill more than anything). Some cases of rapiers: Thank you very much for the information MOK, that's a possibility that I didn't think of (they should reintroduce this tradition for people who achieve their master title). Maybe he also referred to the smallsword and didn't know the exact term, but since the guilds disbanded finally in 1860 this is very much a valid answer And holy hell, these look beautiful. I want one. (or two in this case?) |
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Post by treeslicer on Oct 15, 2020 22:49:05 GMT
this is still a thing for doctors (PhD) in Finland I'd be in favor of that. Handy for defending one's publications. Things would be much livelier around the club, and I'm sure there'd be wagering.  |
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