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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2008 14:41:34 GMT
Forgive me if these were already asked and I missed it but I have a few question. Is there much of a difference between the two methods in final results? If you make one by filing and one by forging and are identical then you heat treated them the same way how much of a difference will there be? Basically will blows used during forging give a better compact grain structure?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2008 14:53:40 GMT
If one made by filing and one by forging, both heat treated the exact same way with the exact same shape then there will be no difference whatsoever. Steel is not like a set of fine china in a pillowcase, bashing on it will not give you finer grains. Forging has a MUCH higher chance of producing a sub par roduct in fact, because more can go wrong in the process that can harm the steel.
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Post by Matt993f.o.d on Aug 16, 2008 19:06:34 GMT
Use whichever method you can be bothered to use. It takes more skill to forge a good blade than to grind one, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 2:38:15 GMT
i like to find a balance between the two
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 3:23:18 GMT
theres no real difference but it does show a bit more skill to forge it but then again look at brennos work! its beautiful so it dosent matter
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 3:30:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 3:42:58 GMT
Work hardening is only effective to a very shallow depth, like very shallow hardening steels or similar to case hardening, very crappy for a blade.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 3:45:37 GMT
Thanks Sam, good to have your input!
I've read that work hardening is important for bronze because heat treating doesn't do much. I assume that heat treating is far more important for steel?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 4:12:00 GMT
The benefits in toughness you get from heat treating a heat treatable steel are like 1,000 times more substantial than those you get from work hardening a low or medium carbon steel, but each has they're own application. Usually only low carbon or medium carbon or stainless steels or other un heat treatable are work hardened to gain strength, because they cannot be heat treated to get any extra strength. But steels that can be heat treated are uhh..... heat treated (hehe), and are WAYYY better for an application like swords. Heck even when it comes to nuts and bolts, the lower carbon or medium carbon or stainless steels that can't be heat treated as far as quenching to harden then tempering are work hardened, because they can't gain any strength from being heat treated. But steels that are good enough steel are heat treated and are used in much higher strength applications.
To answer your question in more simpler terms, if it can't be heat treated in the form of quenching then tempering, then it is work hardened. Brass, bronze, even iron were usually work hardened throughout history to gain more strength.
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