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Post by pgandy on Sept 19, 2020 22:14:11 GMT
Thanks for the photos.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 1:29:32 GMT
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Post by pgandy on Sept 20, 2020 2:23:19 GMT
Yes it's interesting because it actually reminds me somewhat of the Windlass Mexican Bowie Ditto
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 3:38:20 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 20, 2020 4:19:07 GMT
Couple things that stand out to me. Pommel. Has a hole through it which leads me to assume it's threaded, which personally I have not noted on period examples I have researched, and I have seen this pommel on fencing pieces made for olympic style practice.
Blade patina. Doesn't look deep at all, doesn't look original, looks like mustard patina'ing basically. I got the same look on a scabbard, which is on the facebook page "sabreur cutlery".
Grip. A poorly set plain wood grip on an otherwise straight set knife, which coincidentally looks like part of a table leg. Also, the hilt parts aren't in well kept condition, why is the grip basically new?
Edelweiss kills the item though. Very obviously, it's a Windlass.
also, citation needed? "NONE of them were over 3/16ths-inch thick and most were closer to 1/8th-inch thick", I'm no expert but huh. Seems like a very general statement, and 1/8th inch is only 3.175mm, that's really thin and what you see some hilts made from. The period fighting knives I have had/held have been closer to 1/4 inch than 1/8th or 3/16ths. Granted, these aren't period bowies from the 19th century. Similar blade size though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 4:20:07 GMT
We often see what we want to see ( just like Musso ) The guard would be an easy trim. The recess in the guard for the blade is not something at all common to old bowies. Whatever plating or finish that was that is doesn't fly very far. The fact that the collar of the pommel is flat and the fact that the pommel is a solid and threaded doesn't speak well. I'm not saying machining wasn't happening, I'm pointing out some unlikely characteristics. The blade patina, right off the bat. How many period blades do I own? While trying to be gentle, I started with a simple question. What provenance came along with it? If you want to be thoroughly spanked, sign up at Blade Forums and post it to the Bernard Levine ID section. www.bladeforums.com/forums/bernard-levines-knife-collecting-identification.691/I gain nothing by pointing out the obvious but you might benefit from it in the future. Cheers GC As an aside, Mike Stewart is a fluffernutter at times. Don't get me wrong but he is not an antique specialist.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 20, 2020 4:23:24 GMT
TBH, the pommel and bolster don't look different to me.
I would return it. If they say no make a stink. If you payed more than like, 50 bucks you got screwed.
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Sept 20, 2020 19:24:16 GMT
Yeah the other thing I noticed is your blade edge is flawless while the rest of the blade is aged, wouldn't that also "age" with the rest of the blade and not just the body of the blade.
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Post by mrbadexample on Sept 21, 2020 13:14:25 GMT
Well, you can have fun with it now. It’s about the right size for an under the arm carry rig too, and you don’t have to worry about sweating on it. Looks to me like you’ve got the makings for lemonade in this situation.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Sept 21, 2020 14:18:26 GMT
'fluffernutter' Dammmit Edelweiss, you made me look that one up. And...I got a marshmallow and peanut butter sammich. Or... the adult version, which is far funnier.
Sorry to hear you found a fake, but hey, we all learned things.
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Post by markus313 on Sept 21, 2020 20:07:28 GMT
My thoughts! Thank you for the pictures. Would be awesome if Windlass brought that back.
...Good thing if the seller cooperates.
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Post by markus313 on Sept 26, 2020 16:33:52 GMT
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Post by markus313 on Sept 26, 2020 16:35:40 GMT
Side note and not against anyone here: It's actually quite annoying that it seems genuinely difficult to find more detailed measurements on things like this . I mean even more modern blades from WW1/WW2 or even more recent blades have only the most basic measurements accounted for online. No distal taper measurements(Top-down photo of the spine would suffice), no blade widths at different areas like ricasso vs at clip transition, etc. Accurate/exact weight. The lip service, gum flapping, and self aggrandizing over things like this never seems to have a shortage. Much more work to get out the tape measure, caliper, camera and scale I guess. Too much. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by randomnobody on Sept 26, 2020 18:17:22 GMT
Of course...Afghan Chooras, Khybers...are thick. Not one of mine is more than 2mm thick. Sure, the T-section gives it a very wide spine, but the blade itself is very very thin. I imagine everything else varies tremendously.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 18:42:45 GMT
"The lip service, gum flapping, and self aggrandizing over things like this never seems to have a shortage." At the same time, you could spend time self-effacing your own knowledge a bit instead of cherry picking minor trivia. Much of your own presentations (although likely well meant) have been me me me me I I I I I........... My response in this presentation was simply to point out you overlooked previous discussion somewhat entirely and bought a rusticated Windlass. Spend some years reading here instead of regarding simple internet searches. Pose your specification requests (respectfully_ there. You would be surprised at how welcoming and helpful collectors might be. www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/forum/8-edged-weapons/The Collins V-44 was a machete. Look at the Western Cutlery bowies emulating that form. Again, a survival bowie in intent. Blade Forums is the other venue you need to spend time reading on. I will not get into whether Stewart is right or wrong, rather that there are some generalities and his own preference. He has always liked .175" for a lot of his knives and graduating up a bit. IIRC, my subhilt #1 was .1825" with little distal. I have known Mike Stewart somewhat personally for 20 years, with that subhilt purchase from 1994, At one point on Knife Forums, I acted as a mediator between Mike Stewart and Tom Maringer over ill feelings regarding the Vorpal sword. Tom with extreme justifiable anger over proceedings and Mike hardly apologizing and blaming his "owner" backing Blackjack and the Effingham plant. I was one in 2003-2004 to strongly voice that the Bark River North Wind Brush Sword was either strongly influenced by the Vorpal, or indeed that those first examples from the Bark River debut were left over Vorpal blanks. I consider myself a fan of both men. Who might I consider less of a fluffernutter? Tom Maringer. Mike had two subforums on Knife Forums. One for his "church" and one for the Blackjack knives. Knife Forums is no more. A few hours ago, you chose to call out both Jordan and myself, when you could have spent the time doing something else. Instead, me me me me me I I I I I I......... Regarding a few paragraphs of Mike Stewart's "philosophy" as some form of ultimate guide for knife making, or indeed explaining fighting knives in an absolute was quite frankly not worth the time spent reading it. Have a good weekend Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 19:33:02 GMT
Yes I do, just as this most recent. You quoted my post and requested a reply.
No issue with your presentations (how many have I responded to?). I responded to your crowing about an antique bowie you bought. Now you are requesting more discourse with no
"Also, I don't really get the need for the "me me me me I I I I I......." thing."
Uh huh.
Likely well meant in that you probably aren't out to indoctrinate anyone but one can hardly not note a number of threads about your conquests this past few months. Again, it is this thread I responded to and now you somehow seem still burnt and under appreciated, I simply posted that you jumped on something you clearly overlooked. If I felt like responding to other threads, I would have.
I don't need further response to explain myself in this thread. Don't tell me to tell you to grow up.
"I am a little bewildered that my persistent contribution (even if imperfect) to keeping this forum active would be looked upon in a somewhat negative way."
Oh God, yes, we have a savior at last. Disciples to follow.
ROTFLMAO
Have a good weekend.
Cheers GC
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 26, 2020 19:39:40 GMT
Listen carefully! If someone is an expert in me, me, me, I, I, I it's edelweiss!
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Post by markus313 on Sept 26, 2020 19:45:49 GMT
I did not understand Brother’s post as a critique towards anyone in particular. Also I'm not sure if I get the drama. Perhaps it’s my bad English.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 19:49:39 GMT
Listen carefully! If someone is an expert in me, me, me, I, I, I it's edelweiss! Kind of like the king of memes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 19:53:40 GMT
I did not understand Brother’s post as a critique towards anyone in particular. Also I'm not sure if I get the drama. Perhaps it’s my bad English. No drama, just my response to direct questioning. I was through with this thread days ago and was asked for responses to his questions.
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