Why aren't Ming-era disk guard jian more popular today?

Aeliascent
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Why aren't Ming-era disk guard jian more popular today? Jun 19, 2020 20:16:23 GMT

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Post by Aeliascent on Jun 19, 2020 20:16:23 GMT

In my search for a Ming-era sidearm for archery/hanfu purposes, I came across the disk guard jian that was popular during the Ming Dynasty. Liuyedao/yanmaodao don't really appeal to me, and the changdao is nice but too cumbersome to lug around while doing archery.

However, the Ming-era disk guard jian seemed perfect. For some reason, it seems like they're not really accessible in today's reproduction market. Forges seem to gravitate towards Qing/Manchu style jian with thinner/longer blades and oval scabbard fittings rather than the bar scabbard common on Ming-era jian.

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Last Edit: Jun 19, 2020 20:24:49 GMT by Aeliascent

naue Member Posts: 54	Why aren't Ming-era disk guard jian more popular today? Jul 7, 2020 4:45:33 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by naue on Jul 7, 2020 4:45:33 GMT Kris Cutlery actually makes a new jian (the "Jian-X") with such a disk guard. I've been trying to find reviews for this item but so far I haven't succeeded. :

Aeliascent Member Posts: 16	Why aren't Ming-era disk guard jian more popular today? Jul 8, 2020 5:15:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Aeliascent on Jul 8, 2020 5:15:42 GMT Yeah, that's true, but it's not historically accurate at all... That blade looks like that of a WWI bayonet LOL And the pommel is too small. Ming pommels tended to be huge.

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Why aren't Ming-era disk guard jian more popular today? Sept 22, 2020 11:54:19 GMT

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Post by ambulocetus on Sept 22, 2020 11:54:19 GMT

I've been contemplating putting together something like this. It shouldn't be too hard. There are bare blades and DIY Jian fittings on Ebay. Just switch the hand guard for a Tsuba and boom, you've got a disc guard Jian. Many professionals emmigrated from China to Japan circa Tang Dynasty, including smiths. Consequently, in those days, there was less distinction between Japanese and Chinese blades (for example, compare a Shiro Tachi to a Tang Sword) and you will see an occasional Japanese sword called a Tsurugi with a straight double edge blade and Tsuba type hand guard.

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Why aren't Ming-era disk guard jian more popular today?

Post by Aeliascent on Jun 19, 2020 20:16:23 GMT

Post by naue on Jul 7, 2020 4:45:33 GMT

Post by Aeliascent on Jul 8, 2020 5:15:42 GMT

Post by ambulocetus on Sept 22, 2020 11:54:19 GMT

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