Zen_Hydra
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 17, 2020 5:26:32 GMT
For the weight and impact power I mentioned the monster kukri. The Diphos just looks like the OP's idea, it's a one piece construction and ZT's are also sturdy. I think the diphos must be too long. I'm thinking legionnaire length, I think. I have been sharpening my 1831 french artillery sword I got unsharpened, as for size it's pretty good. Also its quite thick, but i must say that despite how robust the tang, if the blade tapered out to the thickness of the handguard, and the handguard were not a separate piece of metal, ( think quenching such a thick piece of metal would result in some amount of differential hardening naturally, leaving plenty of toughness in the blade-spine and handguard), that would be closer yet. Have you looked through the Ancient Swords section on Kult of Athena? There are quite a few leaf bladed swords of various sizes and shapes. If you have the budget for it, I would recommend an Albion Mainz gladius. Another sword worth considering is this, but I can't vouch for its cutting ability - Great Britain WWI Trench Sword link
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 18, 2020 6:52:53 GMT
I think the diphos must be too long. I'm thinking legionnaire length, I think. I have been sharpening my 1831 french artillery sword I got unsharpened, as for size it's pretty good. Also its quite thick, but i must say that despite how robust the tang, if the blade tapered out to the thickness of the handguard, and the handguard were not a separate piece of metal, ( think quenching such a thick piece of metal would result in some amount of differential hardening naturally, leaving plenty of toughness in the blade-spine and handguard), that would be closer yet. Have you looked through the Ancient Swords section on Kult of Athena? There are quite a few leaf bladed swords of various sizes and shapes. If you have the budget for it, I would recommend an Albion Mainz gladius. Another sword worth considering is this, but I can't vouch for its cutting ability - Great Britain WWI Trench Sword linkI do probably want that trench sword as for the various forms of gladius I'm not decided on whether I want to go down that road, there are a lot more gladius options than I can afford, and I've already committed to some other variations of sword for backyard cutting,,, so to go gladius I would want to do as I have done with my other sets of purchases, and get a variety. I'm much more inclined to "save up" for bronze swords of the ancient variety and try cutting with those. as for koa ancients, I am interested in all of that stuff, I've looked at it,,, but as for meeting the "troll sword" requirements, I have yet to see anything anywhere that meets the one single most important requirement,the dimensions, and the specs have some boxes that MUST be checked, including -the piece must be single piece of metal,no wood handle, no tang, no peened pommel,,, one piece of solid metal (it doesn't have to LOOK like a sword made with peens and wood, it can be smooth or hammer textured, -the piece must be very thick at the base of the blade and handguard, probably an inch, potentially more, but going less is something I would want every variety of, -the taper should not suddenly drop to a very thin blade at any point, it should be gradual and follow the rules for strength of tip, -it would not have ANY COMPROMISES to make it more lightweight, except for it's overall size, which would be small like . So instead of making it thinner, you would scale every single dimension down equally. a smaller one should be indistinguishable from a larger one unless you had some way to know their size comparison. why does this all matter>> ? because, as far historical swords are concerned, I will have other interests that don't take me to something that's relatively close (actually this 1831 french "cabbage chopper" I have is pretty close),, instead I will want a saber, a katana, an arming sword, etc.,,,,, but then I will forget about swords and not even care,,, but STILL I will want my troll sword. It's not a "sword" to me, it's something else altogether, and while I like swords I will like all of the swords you might recommend, but when I'm done with swords, I will go back to where I was,,, and I was someone who understood about swords enough to know why they are all NOT what I want, but I will be someone who if I ever SAW this troll sword, I would think, "oh, here is one right here, I've always wanted this ever since I ever imagined it".
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AndiTheBarvarian
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 18, 2020 7:27:50 GMT
Just follow your dream, it's absolutely ok. (as long as it's not stainless steel )
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 18, 2020 7:42:24 GMT
Just follow your dream, it's absolutely ok. (as long as it's not stainless steel ) well it has to be said that as we march forward into the space age,,,, stainless steel might really start to come into it's own. so although for now it's still a thing that stainless steel is not the winning blade (oh wait,,, yes it is..!!! for knives) ,,, that may change.
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Post by MOK on Jun 18, 2020 12:42:06 GMT
Honestly, I don't think you quite realize just how massive an inch-thick slab of steel would be. Oh sure, it doesn't look like a huge distance on a tape measure or such, but I'd seriously recommend getting an in person look at some 1" flat stock before you set that in stone. On the other hand, I think I've said this before but if you really want this thing, Michaelcthulhu is 100% your man...
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 18, 2020 16:50:22 GMT
Honestly, I don't think you quite realize just how massive an inch-thick slab of steel would be. Oh sure, it doesn't look like a huge distance on a tape measure or such, but I'd seriously recommend getting an in person look at some 1" flat stock before you set that in stone. On the other hand, I think I've said this before but if you really want this thing, Michaelcthulhu is 100% your man... I have some, it's big.1 inch is a lot, but even still, it might not be enough to satisfy the handguard. So, although 1 inch is incredible, it's not about the size in specific, it's about the lines. energy flows in lines, and you end up with stress distribution, in such a way that a piece of metal that is too thin in any given point can handle stress that is much more than the actual amount of metal should normally handle. actually I have a 2ft bar of 2inch stainless steel round stock, it's 20lbs and is my favorite ornament. It's amazing to hold after eating too much food, and the way that your hands warm the steel. The room actually glows from the experience. smaller pieces of metal just do not soak the heat like that round bar does. I can feel it in my nose through the base of my palms. One of the reasons I want such a sword is to allow for that experience when I pick it up. (like a heat sink) but there are two ways of going about it,,, you can have a lot of flex, or you can have more material at a specific point in the lever, and you end up with exponential curves. So, the blade should not get thicker linearly, it should increase in thickness at a gradually changing increase, until just at the handguard where..... a tang??? instead, how about a sudden increase ?? I don't need to describe the logic behind the tang here. The damping effects of suddenly dropping to a tang and having softer material will provide performance improvements in many situations that everyone knows about. that said, an INCREASE in mass would force MORE energy into the tip in LESS time, instead of creating a delay so that the same amount of energy can be applied to the tip, but over more time so that the transfer is more complete. It would be more dangerous, but it would be more powerful according to an exponent with a multiplier. There are OTHER ways of damping, using technique, or handle shapes. For example the heman sword expands in size at a point that allows for a degree of taper towards the blade (a smooth taper that accurately follows the strength equation) and towards the handle (a broken taper that although results in the same average taper, has "cutaways" and moves that missing material together in swells making for a handle that is able to absorb the shock in ways that a tang would, without sacrificing so much of the "static strength" of the implement. edit:::: as for recommendations in buying one,,, no offense but consider how you just tried to explain to me how thick 1" of metal is. Any smith is going to think, "that's ludicrous", and move on to making me something I DIDN'T mean. First, working with metal over 1" thick is really hard work. Second, they just won't know what I mean, they will imagine a scenario where they can't see the sword doing what they think I will try to do unless they do their sword engineering and ,,,,,, make it thinner ,,,,,, I can't order from anyone on the market today, until they are as committed as I am to making the sword as described. and again, no offense, but it's a SELF DESCRIBED troll sword. they aren't going to make what I want, not even M.C. . Have you looked up how much it costs to BUY a piece of metal that 1.5" thick?? most blades are made from stock that can be bought in sword size for really not that much, a couple of hundred dollars max. It's 80$ for a chunk of 1" steel that's 12" * 3",,,, in 302 structural stainless. . that same chunk of metal (ok 1" is not even usually available for blade steel) will be 600$ plus, and it's only a foot long. I need 3ft. and it's too thin. The price goes up at an exponent with a multiplier for steel thickness. Thin steel,,, amazing, it cuts automatically and costs basically nothing. Well, it's really cheap to produce because thin steel is easy to work with. Thick steel??? you can't even heat it, and when you do, it will melt the equipment. I would need 10,000 bucks to even convince a smith to try to make it. Then they would raise the price. edit::::: and considering that,,, as for buying other swords,,, well once we are talking about "normal" swords, then the same logic as any other product category applies. I don't need anything special. Actually the good sword is cheap. everyone has one , it's the one that everyone goes out and buys, and I can just buy one of those, and what do you know?? it's a really good sword. A little time playing with it and it's everything you wanted. It's durable, it's sharp, it's powerful, if you got lost in the ancient world with one, you would be so successful you would easily found the breed. Thin metal is an amazing thing. Some patience, some care, and thin metal does the work just fine. but I'm not getting lost in the ancient world like heman. I'm in the modern world and hoping for spacex to be successful, so I can get a job filling orders for amazon while in orbit. I just don't need a "real sword".
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Post by MOK on Jun 18, 2020 17:41:27 GMT
edit:::: as for recommendations in buying one,,, no offense but consider how you just tried to explain to me how thick 1" of metal is. Any smith is going to think, "that's ludicrous", and move on to making me something I DIDN'T mean. First, working with metal over 1" thick is really hard work. Second, they just won't know what I mean, they will imagine a scenario where they can't see the sword doing what they think I will try to do unless they do their sword engineering and ,,,,,, make it thinner ,,,,,, I can't order from anyone on the market today, until they are as committed as I am to making the sword as described. See, the reason I recommend Michaelcthulhu is that he's not a swordsmith, he's a metal fabricator specializing in big giant sword-like-things and all around awesome doofus who makes whatever as long as it's either ludicrously big or otherwise interesting enough to be fun, and gets visibly uncomfortable every time a project calls for something as suspiciously puny as quarter inch steel. Seriously, check out some of the stuff he's made before! The majority of his oeuvre is very much in the conceptual ballpark of your "troll sword". Plus he's just great fun to watch, in any case! PS. It might be expensive, yes! Not in five digits, to be sure, but maybe over a thousand beans? Depends on a whole lot of things. But hey, you seem very fond of the idea of this "sword" and asking costs nothing.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 19, 2020 3:15:36 GMT
edit:::: as for recommendations in buying one,,, no offense but consider how you just tried to explain to me how thick 1" of metal is. Any smith is going to think, "that's ludicrous", and move on to making me something I DIDN'T mean. First, working with metal over 1" thick is really hard work. Second, they just won't know what I mean, they will imagine a scenario where they can't see the sword doing what they think I will try to do unless they do their sword engineering and ,,,,,, make it thinner ,,,,,, I can't order from anyone on the market today, until they are as committed as I am to making the sword as described. See, the reason I recommend Michaelcthulhu is that he's not a swordsmith, he's a metal fabricator specializing in big giant sword-like-things and all around awesome doofus who makes whatever as long as it's either ludicrously big or otherwise interesting enough to be fun, and gets visibly uncomfortable every time a project calls for something as suspiciously puny as quarter inch steel. Seriously, check out some of the stuff he's made before! The majority of his oeuvre is very much in the conceptual ballpark of your "troll sword". Plus he's just great fun to watch, in any case! PS. It might be expensive, yes! Not in five digits, to be sure, but maybe over a thousand beans? Depends on a whole lot of things. But hey, you seem very fond of the idea of this "sword" and asking costs nothing. Ive seen it, its cool. mostly the cost is why i dont try.
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