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Post by tsmspace on Jun 14, 2020 19:25:07 GMT
so, as a kid growing up, before the term "internet troll" was ever invented, I considered myself a troll. I looked like the picture, and I don't want any friends. anyway, I incidentally always through life wanted one kind of sword, and this kind of sword is the only kind of sword that will have so many people call you stupid. Funny, today, if you say you want one, they will call you troll. Funny,,,,,,, because even though they mean something else, a word which holds no meaning to me, as I already have a definition for the word troll and don't plan to adopt some "newfangled human term", they are using the word that to me sounds correct. I am one. I'm short, I like the woods, and I prefer a frog to any human. I have no respect for the atrocious discrimination performed by the elite of the human race. They lie, cheat, and steal, and I don't. but here is my sword. I'm sure that it will be possible to one day own one. Attachments:
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Post by MOK on Jun 14, 2020 21:25:57 GMT
Black rain frog is my spirit animal. (Google it, you'll thank me.)
Honestly, aside from the guard being sharp, the drawing actually looks and the description sounds quite a bit like just a fantasy take on the Greek xiphos. Nothing particularly odd or wrong with that.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 14, 2020 22:33:35 GMT
Black rain frog is my spirit animal. (Google it, you'll thank me.) Honestly, aside from the guard being sharp, the drawing actually looks and the description sounds quite a bit like just a fantasy take on the Greek xiphos. Nothing particularly odd or wrong with that. it's heavy and thick, and also instead of using a harder metal for the blade and a softer metal for the guard, it's a single piece, and very very specifically shaped with a hammer out of a single ingot. There is emphasis on the idea that shaping it from an ingot is a sort of specific pattern of first shape a part like this, leave it for now and shape this over here like this, you'll see why later, now start working this out over here, but not past this point, etc. ,,, the shaping is like as if making the shape with a hammer is a trade secret, and people try to make it but always make something else instead, all of this based on lore that I am unable to locate but am sure did exist. Ultimately it would be as such: you don't need anything else, and in fact despite the basic concepts that should make a more specialized tool better for any given task (such as a hammer or axe, or perhaps a shovel, or perhaps a knife) due to the nature of the energy balance of the sword, it is actually better, and always produces results that have synergy with the other results (so, if you make cuts in material, they will be unique, but work well with the other materials you cut with it also). yes, very much a xiphos, and I think that is consistent with the "supposed lore that I can't seem to locate". I think perhaps the material of lore is actually gold, although iron and bronze might be candidates, I do think that one of the concepts was no heating at any point once the ingot is formed. any heating in the metal is a result of the hammer, with certain portions of shaping emphasizing a lot of hammering for minimal changes in shape, with other portions of the shaping requiring very well performed heavy duty strikes, and only a very limited number of them. I don't know what gold is like , but there is supporting information for the idea of gold being the appropriate material. first, gold is easier to put together from small pieces into larger pieces. second, gold is more available in preshistory, because copper corrodes so mostly copper would come from smelting while gold could be more likely found in nuggets. However, gold is NOT THAT EASY to put together, so for most people, finding a large nugget would be crucial, and it would be paramount NOT to form the object incorrectly, because the nugget would have been ruined. In other words, you would hammer it into pieces instead of what you wanted to make, so the nugget would be lost. third, gold is more likely to be able to be kept from one generation to the next, so during prehistory when generations might pass with virtually no changes to the skillsets it takes to survive, certain possessions would have a certain value that possessions don't really have today. and in this case, a sword makes more sense than many other objects, because you wouldn't use it as much, so it wouldn't necessarily wear out. basically once a settlement were established, the best tool for every particular job would come from more disposable materials like sticks and rocks and grass, and a purpose built weapon might be something a "religious" figure might have for display.
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Post by howler on Jun 15, 2020 1:24:36 GMT
You are quite descriptive and have a fluid imagination. Difficult following but a strangely satisfying roller coaster ride so long as the reader doesn't mind ending up in the weeds of none resolution (a guaranteed result), as this is all a sort of verbal autism, with both good and bad implications. Forget logic and destination, it's the trip that counts. I hope the OP stays on this forum for as long as his self described fleeting interest allows, as I swear you have the power to make a man believe that YOU believe a bag or marshmallows is a war hammer while making that same man choke to death while eating said bag.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 15, 2020 1:32:56 GMT
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Post by howler on Jun 15, 2020 1:43:31 GMT
I wonder, do trolls have twice the strength of a human? Hell, why not. Drink.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 15, 2020 1:43:58 GMT
You are quite descriptive and have a fluid imagination. Difficult following but a strangely satisfying roller coaster ride so long as the reader doesn't mind ending up in the weeds of none resolution (a guaranteed result), as this is all a sort of verbal autism, with both good and bad implications. Forget logic and destination, it's the trip that counts. I hope the OP stays on this forum for as long as his self described fleeting interest allows, as I swear you have the power to make a man believe that YOU believe a bag or marshmallows is a war hammer while making that same man choke to death while eating said bag. Can we not throw terms like "autism" around like that? There are other ways to get your point across without being insulting. Using a serious congenital condition in a flippant manner insults people struggling with it, and implying someone who has not admitted they live with the disorder (sans clinical evidence) in fact suffers from it, is creeping into personal attack territory. We should be respectful of each other, and not make light of those living with disabilities.
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Post by howler on Jun 15, 2020 19:12:29 GMT
You are quite descriptive and have a fluid imagination. Difficult following but a strangely satisfying roller coaster ride so long as the reader doesn't mind ending up in the weeds of none resolution (a guaranteed result), as this is all a sort of verbal autism, with both good and bad implications. Forget logic and destination, it's the trip that counts. I hope the OP stays on this forum for as long as his self described fleeting interest allows, as I swear you have the power to make a man believe that YOU believe a bag or marshmallows is a war hammer while making that same man choke to death while eating said bag. Can we not throw terms like "autism" around like that? There are other ways to get your point across without being insulting. Using a serious congenital condition in a flippant manner insults people struggling with it, and implying someone who has not admitted they live with the disorder (sans clinical evidence) in fact suffers from it, is creeping into personal attack territory. We should be respectful of each other, and not make light of those living with disabilities. I'm not. I literally believe the OP may be on some form of the autistic spectrum and don't mean it in a negative way, as some people in this spectrum are actually enhanced in many ways of seeing the world. True, I did say negative but this describes the difficulty succinctly communicating on a forum such as this for one on the spectrum.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 15, 2020 20:32:45 GMT
Can we not throw terms like "autism" around like that? There are other ways to get your point across without being insulting. Using a serious congenital condition in a flippant manner insults people struggling with it, and implying someone who has not admitted they live with the disorder (sans clinical evidence) in fact suffers from it, is creeping into personal attack territory. We should be respectful of each other, and not make light of those living with disabilities. I'm not. I literally believe the OP may be on some form of the autistic spectrum and don't mean it in a negative way, as some people in this spectrum are actually enhanced in many ways of seeing the world. True, I did say negative but this describes the difficulty succinctly communicating on a forum such as this for one on the spectrum. Are you a medical professional trained in the diagnosis of people on the autism spectrum? If not, you aren't qualified in any way to conclude that diagnosis (and no medical professional is going to risk their license doing so based on a few sword forum threads). There are any number of reasons why the original post might seem disjointed, but openly speculating in this thread is frankly just rude. If you were genuinely concerned about the OP you would have direct messaged him. If you don't like the topic don't post in it. If you want to dog pile on someone, do it somewhere else.
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Post by howler on Jun 15, 2020 21:16:42 GMT
I'm not. I literally believe the OP may be on some form of the autistic spectrum and don't mean it in a negative way, as some people in this spectrum are actually enhanced in many ways of seeing the world. True, I did say negative but this describes the difficulty succinctly communicating on a forum such as this for one on the spectrum. Are you a medical professional trained in the diagnosis of people on the autism spectrum? If not, you aren't qualified in any way to conclude that diagnosis (and no medical professional is going to risk their license doing so based on a few sword forum threads). There are any number of reasons why the original post might seem disjointed, but openly speculating in this thread is frankly just rude. If you were genuinely concerned about the OP you would have direct messaged him. If you don't like the topic don't post in it. If you want to dog pile on someone, do it somewhere else. Please lighten up just a tad, as I explained that I meant no disrespect and never claimed professional mental diagnostic proficiency (I've concluded nothing of the sort), and this isn't exactly a medical forum, so why not take my word and move on, as speculating negative motives on my part on a PC high horse is also rude. As such I will take you at your word that you are simply trying to make me (and this forum) a better place and thank you for your constructive criticism.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 15, 2020 21:46:08 GMT
Are you a medical professional trained in the diagnosis of people on the autism spectrum? If not, you aren't qualified in any way to conclude that diagnosis (and no medical professional is going to risk their license doing so based on a few sword forum threads). There are any number of reasons why the original post might seem disjointed, but openly speculating in this thread is frankly just rude. If you were genuinely concerned about the OP you would have direct messaged him. If you don't like the topic don't post in it. If you want to dog pile on someone, do it somewhere else. Please lighten up just a tad, as I explained that I meant no disrespect and never claimed professional mental diagnostic proficiency (I've concluded nothing of the sort), and this isn't exactly a medical forum, so why not take my word and move on, as speculating negative motives on my part on a PC high horse is also rude. As such I will take you at your word that you are simply trying to make me (and this forum) a better place and thank you for your constructive criticism. That is exactly what I'm trying to do. This isn't supposed to be a hostile environment, and throwing terms around as you did sounds less like concern (which would be better inquired about discretely), and more like ridicule. This forum does not belong to us. Newcomers have just as much right to be here as we les Grognards.
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Post by howler on Jun 15, 2020 22:02:33 GMT
Please lighten up just a tad, as I explained that I meant no disrespect and never claimed professional mental diagnostic proficiency (I've concluded nothing of the sort), and this isn't exactly a medical forum, so why not take my word and move on, as speculating negative motives on my part on a PC high horse is also rude. As such I will take you at your word that you are simply trying to make me (and this forum) a better place and thank you for your constructive criticism. That is exactly what I'm trying to do. This isn't supposed to be a hostile environment, and throwing terms around as you did sounds less like concern (which would be better inquired about discretely), and more like ridicule. This forum does not belong to us. Newcomers have just as much right to be here as we les Grognards. No argument here, and no worries, as I stated that I'm viewing your critique as a constructive one. This is exactly what I'm trying to do as well, given my explanation and interpretation of your explanation (we are starting to get into a hall of mirrors reflecting back on each other). I was trying to explain what I believed (maybe ham handed but whatever) were the positive aspects of the OP posts (as many people just talked of the negative over the last few weeks). Btw, some of the worlds greatest minds have been on the Autism spectrum, but I should have endeavored for more clarity based on how you perceived my post (meaning others may as well). Have a good one.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 16, 2020 6:04:23 GMT
Can we not throw terms like "autism" around like that? There are other ways to get your point across without being insulting. Using a serious congenital condition in a flippant manner insults people struggling with it, and implying someone who has not admitted they live with the disorder (sans clinical evidence) in fact suffers from it, is creeping into personal attack territory. We should be respectful of each other, and not make light of those living with disabilities. I'm not. I literally believe the OP may be on some form of the autistic spectrum and don't mean it in a negative way, as some people in this spectrum are actually enhanced in many ways of seeing the world. True, I did say negative but this describes the difficulty succinctly communicating on a forum such as this for one on the spectrum. don't worry about me, anyway. thanks for the compliments. I am really here for my entertainment, so , I don't know, if it was a movie theater it's ok to spout whatever I guess I just figure it's the same. It's really hard to organize a description of actually a pretty complex idea without losing almost everyone to their own interpretations. you know I didn't make any of that sword lore stuff up. As far as I'm concerned it's real lore. I mean we do have a legend of atlantis.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 16, 2020 7:14:46 GMT
yeah, hey here's another one for you folks as per fantasy swords,,,, I have also been told before that fantasy swords look short and fat,,, because that's what a sword looks like when someone is pointing it at you in a guard position,,,, so the swords like frostmourn and heman swords that are shaped like that, but squished up, are actually just a rapier when it's pointed at you at a slight angle.
as in really the best sword remains the rapier.
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Post by howler on Jun 16, 2020 7:29:30 GMT
I'm not. I literally believe the OP may be on some form of the autistic spectrum and don't mean it in a negative way, as some people in this spectrum are actually enhanced in many ways of seeing the world. True, I did say negative but this describes the difficulty succinctly communicating on a forum such as this for one on the spectrum. don't worry about me, anyway. thanks for the compliments. I am really here for my entertainment, so , I don't know, if it was a movie theater it's ok to spout whatever I guess I just figure it's the same. It's really hard to organize a description of actually a pretty complex idea without losing almost everyone to their own interpretations. you know I didn't make any of that sword lore stuff up. As far as I'm concerned it's real lore. I mean we do have a legend of atlantis. I had no worries about you as you seem pretty tough and unflappable to criticism over your several posts these last weeks. Sounds like you have had others comment on your expansive descriptive prowess, and I'm glad you seem comfortable focusing on the virtues. You do seem one of the more popular newer posters on the sight. Maybe it's titles like: Troll sword, I mean, you have to wonder what that would look like, aside from instinctively knowing it probably wouldn't be small and dainty.
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Post by howler on Jun 16, 2020 7:45:10 GMT
yeah, hey here's another one for you folks as per fantasy swords,,,, I have also been told before that fantasy swords look short and fat,,, because that's what a sword looks like when someone is pointing it at you in a guard position,,,, so the swords like frostmourn and heman swords that are shaped like that, but squished up, are actually just a rapier when it's pointed at you at a slight angle. as in really the best sword remains the rapier. Ya see, just another way of looking at things through the tsmspace lens that just bends the mind into a pretzel. So, looking the other way, (and using tsmspace powers) a rapier could in reality be a short, fat sword only stretched out because of defective parchment the drawing was written on. I think I'm getting it.
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Post by Dandelion on Jun 16, 2020 7:53:15 GMT
ahem... Andi, the Diphos can even be handled quite easily by ME! I would say its the most advanced design from ZT looking at weight, balance and even the taper.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 16, 2020 9:47:20 GMT
For the weight and impact power I mentioned the monster kukri. The Diphos just looks like the OP's idea, it's a one piece construction and ZT's are also sturdy.
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Post by Dandelion on Jun 16, 2020 13:57:01 GMT
For the weight and impact power I mentioned the monster kukri. The Diphos just looks like the OP's idea, it's a one piece construction and ZT's are also sturdy. Ah so desu!
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 17, 2020 3:16:17 GMT
For the weight and impact power I mentioned the monster kukri. The Diphos just looks like the OP's idea, it's a one piece construction and ZT's are also sturdy. I think the diphos must be too long. I'm thinking legionnaire length, I think. I have been sharpening my 1831 french artillery sword I got unsharpened, as for size it's pretty good. Also its quite thick, but i must say that despite how robust the tang, if the blade tapered out to the thickness of the handguard, and the handguard were not a separate piece of metal, ( think quenching such a thick piece of metal would result in some amount of differential hardening naturally, leaving plenty of toughness in the blade-spine and handguard), that would be closer yet.
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