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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 4:19:38 GMT
Hi, I have been researching swords to buy, focusing on top-end ones. Im looking for preferably a beater, put a good cutter and jabber (pardon the words). I have narrowed down to four, but feel free to suggest others. Im deciding between a Hanwei Practical Ninjato, a G2 Irish Hand and a Half sword, a Darksword Armory Knight Sword, and a Cold Steel Gross Messer. Any help would be greatly appreciated! ;D
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Aug 7, 2008 4:32:22 GMT
wow now there's a variety of blades. what you gonna use that there sword for sonny (in southern-old-guy-accent)?
sounds to me like you want a tough blade for chopping beating and general near abuse that you won't care if it gets dinged up some. if so then the Hanwei sword is out. IF you want my opinion the hanwei blade is out altogether I HATE ninjato.
not sure if the gross messer would be a satisfying stabber but I would think it to be hardy and a heck of a chopper. ther's a review on it in the review area.
Darksword Knight arming sword. now this is starting to sound more like what you're looking for. tough: check! stabber: check! sturdy chopper: Check! only down side so far as I know is that these swords tend to be heavy and can be a real pain to sharpen from factory, so if you go with this one youw wil probably want to get it sharpened.
G2 Irish. this is the only sword in your list that likes a two handed approach more than one so far as I know. how do you feel about that? if you are ok with it then I think it's probably the way to go. I like the G2 swords in general and they have a good reputation for being very tough.
I really don't know how to advise you on this though since you choices are so different, but I think for a tough chop and poke any of the last three should be fine. did I mention I HATE ninjato?
good luck I hope you find the right sword for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 4:39:59 GMT
Thanks! That actually helped a lot. Yea, they were almost an eclectic group, but I was just basing it on a few guidelines. Do you or does anybody else have any tips on building a stand to practice on? Also, I live in a rowhome neighborhood in Maryland, so Im not sure if practicing in my back yard would be a very good idea, but there are a few parks around, with little distractions, and its easy to find a section where people or animals arent there, and im just looking for a good place to practice with the irish sword or the knight sword
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 4:49:57 GMT
I would say not going to a park. It is usually illegal to have an unsheathed sword out in public, so just check before trying it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 5:45:11 GMT
Maybe if you got a group together and had it as a cultural event? I would at least check up with the park authorities or whoevers in charge. BTW, nice avatar and sig.
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Post by YlliwCir on Aug 7, 2008 5:49:00 GMT
Do you or does anybody else have any tips on building a stand to practice on? /index.cgi?action=display&board=designs&thread=3896&page=1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 5:57:40 GMT
Thanks for the info all! and thanks Drax, it suits me best so I used them (add smiley of choise)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 7:39:16 GMT
The ninja-to is neither a good stabber or cutter. Best to put your inner ninja away if you want performance. It's just a bad design perpetuated by hollywood and most likely never an actual sword. The messer can chop...boy can it chop, but attempting a stab with that monstrosity would be an act in futility. Also about half of them seems to have a pommel issue...not sure I like those odds. The DSA knight from everything I have read meets all your needs. Maybe a bit heavy...but toughness nailed down...sans fittings. I know they said they were working on that but so far, not hearing good things. I admit that most is from people who really prefer higher end swords...but some of the complaints are pretty legimate. Gen 2...now I really like a few of these models. The lucerne, black prince and irish two handers (although I don't like the look of this one) are all very nice swords. Even better with a little touch up. The new henry the V looks to be a very nice sword as well...although if you wanna stab, you may want to wait till tip issue is fixed. Also from the euro front, the hanwei albrecht sword is a good choice with lots of people liking that sword. While strictly not a cut and thrust type sword, the valiant atrim swords are very nice and cut very well. And by not strictly, I mean it's a cutting sword . The new hanwei tinker longsword also seems very nice...but I'm personally waiting for the bastard sword to come out before giving that line a whirl...of course, it maybe a while as I ordered an albion on mostly impulse. Some of the windlass is also pretty good in this group. The oakshott type XIV windlass is a pretty good sword. And if you can go above the 300 limit, an atrim maker's mark type XIV would be an awesome cut and thrust sword. So basically I agree with Ian...we seems to do that a lot lately hehe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 21:16:46 GMT
Wow, thats a lot of swords. Well, Im looking for a good cutter and stabber, but cutting is more important in my opinion, I could deal with just a cutter and a moderate stabber
Im looking for a sword under $300, preferably under $200 if possible.
A sword that will take some damage and can cut well is good with me, as long as I can guarantee no defects that is
What do you suggest would be the best one or two?
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Post by lol74 on Aug 7, 2008 21:24:39 GMT
The ninja-to is neither a good stabber or cutter. Best to put your inner ninja away if you want performance. It's just a bad design perpetuated by hollywood and most likely never an actual sword. I must disagree, I have the hanwei ninja to, and I have actually managed to get some full mats, after a few cutting tests the maximum cutting limit for the sword was about 4 mats lined up in a row, and as for stabbing, it was able to stab through a phone book with ease and there was no damage to the tip or blade after both tests, I believe the results speak for themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 21:24:43 GMT
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Post by septofclansinclair on Aug 7, 2008 21:31:35 GMT
I really like my Gen2 Irish, but the blade is a bit thinner than some of their other pieces and might not be as durable. The Gen2 Templar is my favorite Gen2 that I have, hand and a half, and very powerful.
If you order from AoV I'm sure they'd inspect it for you, and for not too much more you can get the handle reworked (which is what I did, and it was well worth it).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 21:37:06 GMT
For under 200 the windlass oakshot type XIV is the best from KoA. Of course that won't come sharp. Sharpened, it cost over 200 by a smidge...well if you want to use the windlass machine sharpening. AoV has a better sharpening option, but the sword costs more there. If you want to stay under 300 then the tinker line Hanwei is out. Although, they do look VERY nice. And they aren't over by THAT much hehe. Anyways, between a DSA and a gen 2, I prefer the gen 2...but it depends on what you want. DSA has the stronger blade, gen 2 has a more historical blade. DSA is generally on the heavy side...but gen 2 is tempered a smidge on the soft side (these are NOT bad things...but some people don't like it). In anycase in this price range, there is no gurantee of defect. Hell even Albion at 1000+ dollars will make a sword that has small defects in it once in a while. But then again, they are backed by a lifetime warranty. Anyways, the best way to minimize the risk is to go through a trusted vendor that inspects their swords like AoV or KoA does...no matter which sword you choose .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 21:52:22 GMT
The ninja-to is neither a good stabber or cutter. Best to put your inner ninja away if you want performance. It's just a bad design perpetuated by hollywood and most likely never an actual sword. I must disagree, I have the hanwei ninja to, and I have actually managed to get some full mats, after a few cutting tests the maximum cutting limit for the sword was about 4 mats lined up in a row, and as for stabbing, it was able to stab through a phone book with ease and there was no damage to the tip or blade after both tests, I believe the results speak for themselves. And how much did you power through for those 4 mats? If I'm going full power, I can cut through 8+ mats with a type XIIIa. This is a GOOD cutter. I can do 3-4 using a type XVa...that is a HORRIBLE cutter. If all you can do is 4 on a full all out swing, then it is a bad cutter. Although if the hanwei one can do 4, thats not bad since I can't get past 2 with most. Stabbing a phone book means nothing other then it as a not horrible tip. It's like the cold steel videos where they show their swords doing these things that pretty much any decently made sword can do. It just means your sword was made well. It does not make it better then it is somehow magically however. Also hows your tip control there? You stab means nothing if you can't hit what your aiming at. Can a ninja-to cut? Yes. Can it stab? Yes. Is it gonna do either of those better then an equally well made type XIV? I think not. Yes ninja-to can be fun swords...but they are by no means a GOOD performing sword compared to what actually developed through the battlefields of japan and europe. Although if I ever wanna let my inner ninja out, I think you just sold me on getting the hanwei one .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 22:14:41 GMT
By type XIIIA. do you mean a Hanwei Oakeshot type XIII?
And what kind? A duke, steward or count?
Also, do you think the XIV is better than those?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2008 1:06:33 GMT
Well type XIIIa cover a LOT of swords...like the duke, count and sterward from albion . As for is the type XIV is better...well it really depends on what you want . It's a faster more agile blade to be sure. The XIV will be a better thrusting weapon as well. And is an arming sword vs the longsword that the type XIIIa is. But the XIIIa will cut MUCH better. A lot of picking the right sword for is a matter of what you want and how your body moves. Since I like swords that are fast and agile, type XIV swords are optimal for me. For others the XIIIa will be the sword that fits them best. So basically tell us about you and how you want to use a sword in as much detail as possible...and then we can help you better pick a weapon out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2008 2:18:15 GMT
haha, sorry about that ;D I want to be able to cut bottles and stuff pretty quickly, so a quick cut then another would be good, i might just have to try both swords.... Im strong, so if it is a heavier sword, or a slower sword, it should be fine for me, but i also want an aesthetically good looking sword, but the ones they sell all look good. I have a shop room, but the way that it is set up, is that I probably wouldnt have room to put the sword with the rag on it on the vice, since its against a wall, so hopefully a sword that I dont need to sharpen as regularly, so I guess a sharper blade would be better, as in the XIIIa.?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2008 2:38:27 GMT
Well you do know a sharper edge requires sharpening more often...right? Less metal = wears down faster . If you want to cut bottles fast in sucession, then balance is what your looking for more then worry about weight...well at least within reason. And you have realize that a heavy slower sword is almost always worse at cutting then a faster lighter sword...once again within reason...because of the laws of physics. So if all your cutting is bottle...why the need for an uber tough sword? I mean almost anysword will handle bottles just fine (sans some scratching).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2008 3:00:38 GMT
Just for the cool factor
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Post by YlliwCir on Aug 8, 2008 3:05:26 GMT
RW, another brand to consider is Kris Cutlery. Their Teutonic sword is one of my best cutters and thrusts damn well also. Comes very sharp and has held a good edge for me. It goes for just under $300 however one pops up in the classifieds here and at the other sword forums for cheaper now and then. KC also makes a Medeival war sword thats real nice.
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