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Post by airborne on Mar 25, 2020 23:34:46 GMT
Hello All , I remember seeing a company that manufactures the Repro 1822 French Light Cavalry Saber , but cannot remember the name of the company . Can any of the members here help me please . Thanks
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Post by pgandy on Mar 26, 2020 12:09:45 GMT
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Post by airborne on Mar 26, 2020 16:34:07 GMT
Thanks pgandy
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Post by Luka on Mar 26, 2020 22:02:16 GMT
Isn't this their section for sale of antiques?
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Post by pgandy on Mar 27, 2020 0:31:06 GMT
Isn't this their section for sale of antiques? Looks like it. I read and posted on the fly. I wasn’t aware that they sold antiques but new repros. The first URL was what I was intending a thought that I had seen one there. As I closing I came across the last two sites and threw them in at no charge. Airborne is a big boy and is free to reject any or all sites if he desires. Just trying to do the chap a favour, haven’t seen him complain, yet anyway.
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Post by airborne on Mar 29, 2020 15:27:49 GMT
Hi Guys , will consider Repros or antiques . Thanks
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Post by pellius on Mar 29, 2020 15:47:08 GMT
There’s what appears to be a second gen m1822 here: www.bygoneblades.com/buy-french-model-1822-light-cavalry-sabre-chatelleraultSeems to be offered at full market price, but it looks to be in pretty good shape. I’m not affiliated with the seller at all, but I’ve dealt with them a few times. Definitely not a discount dealer, but they have always delivered what was promised with lightning fast delivery (about 5 biz days door-to-door GB to Florida). Shipping is a little spendy, but has been super reliable. The pound is kinda down against the dollar, so if you are in the US, may be worth a look. fwiw
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Post by airborne on Mar 29, 2020 16:33:02 GMT
Thanks pellius , I,m actually in the UK . Yes it does appear to be in decent condition but just a bit over my price range at present . I will need to start saving for later in the year .Antiques although more expensive certainly seems like a possible option . Thanks again
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Post by pellius on Mar 29, 2020 17:54:00 GMT
If you find what you are looking for, please share your results with us. Good hunting!
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Post by pellius on Mar 29, 2020 17:59:23 GMT
Solingen-made clones may be an option, too.
Dave Kelly has/had one for sale for $350 US. Not sure of your budget; very not sure about shipping a sword into the UK. May be worth a look, though.
I’m honestly not trying to sell stuff for folks; just offering what meager help I can.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Mar 29, 2020 18:11:38 GMT
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Post by airborne on Mar 30, 2020 13:28:17 GMT
Thanks once again everyone who has offered their help , To answer you pellius , getting any kind of bladed weapon , swords etc into the UK from the US or anywhere else from outside of Europe or the UK is a minefield as the UK customs charges are absolutely ridiculous and they could even be confiscated or destroyed (not worth taking the chance). I had a look at that site(fabri-armorum )Jordan but they dont have a great deal of choice for what Im after , although by the photos the Heavy and Light cavalry sabres looked ok but I would have to research a bit more into the company , (have you used them ?). As stated earlier after having carried out a little more research and acting on advice from members here , I really like the look of the French 1829 Mounted Artillery Sabre and I know this would probably have to be an antique one which means more money , so I am going to have to work on my finances a bit . I know Ive already asked but are there any of the decent companies from India who manufacture this model ? or indeed any custom sword makers in Europe ? Thanks again .
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Post by airborne on Mar 30, 2020 13:30:00 GMT
Hi All , Forgive my ignorance pellius , but what are Solingen made clones ? Thanks
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Post by pellius on Mar 30, 2020 14:54:54 GMT
My understanding (I’m not even close to being an expert) is that the French m1822 light cav saber was very popular and trendsetting. The US and other nations wanted them. France was happy to sell them, but not support other nations in making their own to French specs.
So a number of countries simply copied the design.
Numerous sword making companies in Solingen (sorta the Longquan “hammertown” of 19th Century Western Europe) made “unauthorized” copies for various buyers, notably the US for its war with Mexico.
The US made some copies too, calling them the US m1840 heavy cav and US m1860 light cavalry.
So there are a bunch of antique Solingen made copies of the m1822 floating around out there. They were made for military use, so “battle ready” by definition. Some are better than others, but I don’t have sufficient knowledge to name which are better or worse. They are all generally considered inferior to the first gen French m1822 light cav, but they are still pretty nice/neat swords.
The versions made as US m1840 heavy cav sabers are pretty notorious for being poor in handling, earning the derisive moniker “Wristbreaker.” Maybe poor compared to the French version, but still superior to modern replicas as far as I can tell.
My clone was made by W Walscheid of Solingen. Best I can tell, it’s kinda in the middle of the pack as far as handling goes for US m1840’s.
Edit - I suppose I should add, the various copies made over the years were not exact copies, and even purposefully differed from the French version in some aspects. Things like grip shape, blade length, guard shape, and other details varied between versions.
Indeed, even the French version itself changed over time, going thru several (three?) generations over the numerous decades. My understanding is that the first gen 1822 is the one to seek out if possible.
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Post by airborne on Mar 30, 2020 18:25:14 GMT
thanks pellius
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Post by Luka on Mar 30, 2020 19:06:12 GMT
My understanding (I’m not even close to being an expert) is that the French m1822 light cav saber was very popular and trendsetting. The US and other nations wanted them. France was happy to sell them, but not support other nations in making their own to French specs. So a number of countries simply copied the design. Numerous sword making companies in Solingen (sorta the Longquan “hammertown” of 19th Century Western Europe) made “unauthorized” copies for various buyers, notably the US for its war with Mexico. The US made some copies too, calling them the US m1840 heavy cav and US m1860 light cavalry. So there are a bunch of antique Solingen made copies of the m1822 floating around out there. They were made for military use, so “battle ready” by definition. Some are better than others, but I don’t have sufficient knowledge to name which are better or worse. They are all generally considered inferior to the first gen French m1822 light cav, but they are still pretty nice/neat swords. The versions made as US m1840 heavy cav sabers are pretty notorious for being poor in handling, earning the derisive moniker “Wristbreaker.” Maybe poor compared to the French version, but still superior to modern replicas as far as I can tell. My clone was made by W Walscheid of Solingen. Best I can tell, it’s kinda in the middle of the pack as far as handling goes for US m1840’s. Edit - I suppose I should add, the various copies made over the years were not exact copies, and even purposefully differed from the French version in some aspects. Things like grip shape, blade length, guard shape, and other details varied between versions. Indeed, even the French version itself changed over time, going thru several (three?) generations over the numerous decades. My understanding is that the first gen 1822 is the one to seek out if possible. All generations are great sabers. I had a 1875 from Chatellerault and it was awesome. Than I got 1824 Klingenthal and sold the Chatellerault. Klingenthal is slightly thinner and faster, but Chatellerault is still fast, but also a freakin tank. :D I decided for a Klingenthal more based on it being 50 years older and I have thing for Klingenthal blades. :)
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Post by pellius on Mar 30, 2020 19:40:40 GMT
Also, just to clarify, the Klingenthal that made the m1822’s by royal order for the French Crown (thru 1838, I believe) was and is in France. These are not German “clones.” They are the genuine articles.
Early on as an American, that little tidbit threw me a bit because “klingenthal” kinda sounds German to me, and there is also a (different) German town named Klingenthal that was a manufacturing center.
Everyone else pretty much knew all this from the get-go, but I had to google it. 🙂
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Post by Luka on Mar 30, 2020 20:59:26 GMT
Also, just to clarify, the Klingenthal that made the m1822’s by royal order for the French Crown (thru 1838, I believe) was and is in France. These are not German “clones.” They are the genuine articles. Early on as an American, that little tidbit threw me a bit because “klingenthal” kinda sounds German to me, and there is also a (different) German town named Klingenthal that was a manufacturing center. Everyone else pretty much knew all this from the get-go, but I had to google it. 🙂 I think we mentioned Solingen as copies, not Klingenthal? :)
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Post by pellius on Mar 30, 2020 22:27:04 GMT
Yep. Just Solingen. Again, just a hiccup I ran into back when. It was probably obvious to everyone but me that “made in Klingenthal” meant “made in France,” not “made in Germany.” I’m just kinda throwing out random info, hoping it maybe helps someone. Lol. 🙂
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