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Post by paulmuaddib on Mar 15, 2020 20:19:38 GMT
Under different circumstances I might let the conspiracy theories slide when at least seemingly posted in jest, but I specifically told you not too many days ago to stop doing this or you'd take a month-long suspension. And now, here we are. Welcome back in thirty days.PS. Sorry for the delayed response! In my defense, I was doing some image searching over the weekend and at this point my eyes kinda just glaze over when I see these memes the Nth time... Pretty harsh for posting a funny meme. Just my opinion.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Mar 15, 2020 22:11:26 GMT
Not really harsh.
He has been warned multiple times.
He has consistently country bashed and escalated into significant political rants that need not be on this site.
This is pretty much a specialty knowledge site, and there are other places to discuss politics. But not here.
Back to the humor.
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Post by pvsampson on Mar 16, 2020 9:38:17 GMT
Deleted my response. Posting when angry does not lead to good results.Have had a break and will return but will not participate in off topic threads,methinks.
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Post by MOK on Mar 16, 2020 23:40:27 GMT
Recently, I suspended a poster. This has been met with vocal criticism. If you likewise object to my decision, DO NOT COMMENT ON IT IN THAT THREAD. We have specific rules about this:7. Do not question or make negative comments about moderation actions in the public forum. If you feel the need to question an action by the moderation team, please do so by private message. The same rules of conduct apply via private messages as they do on the regular forum. Now, you could view that as a way to sneakily conceal criticism, sure. But the real main reason for it is to avoid derailing threads with debates about moderating decisions. For the same reason, we very rarely respond to the occasional infraction against this rule: when it's just a single brief comment, moderator attention would only serve to derail the thread far worse. I'm sure many of us also enjoy the levity as we would a nice egg in this trying time, so I don't want to lock or remove the thread, either. But at the same time, I also don't want to just sweep things under the rug and pretend I've never done wrong. Well, no, that's a lie, I very much do want to do that, but I try to do better than what my stupid brain tells me. (This thread may well be another stupid thing it's managed to persuade me to do, but here we go.) I think transparency and openness are crucial. With all that in mind, instead of deleting the posts discussing my suspension of LordNewport I've moved them from the original thread to this one. I will also now attempt to explain the suspension. Which may be my stupidest move yet but, again, here we go... 8. No discussion of religion or politics on the forum in any section. It's fairly straightforward: we don't want the inevitable drama it brings, we don't want people to use the forum as their personal soapbox, and regardless of any personal sympathies any of us may have we don't want the site as a whole to have to pick sides, so we want to avoid the topic altogether, as much as possible. Recently, LordNewport has insisted on breaking the rule over and over again in a very short amount of time. He's been civil and pleasant otherwise, at least in talking with me personally, but we can only look past so many infractions, especially at the rate he's been going and with as many direct instructions and warnings as he's had to stop it. That his offenses are all on the theme "China Is Evil And Bad" doesn't have much to do with it, aside from helping to make the pattern more obvious. You will catch warnings, suspensions and eventually a permanent ban if you insist on posting similarly about the US, EU, Russia or any other modern political entity. Even - and I can't believe we haven't censored this word yet - even Belgium. I can't promise 100% consistency with that or anything else simply because we mods are very few, very fallible, and often we simply don't notice everything that goes on, at least until it's pointed out to us, but I promise we do try. Discuss this further in this thread only, if you really want to. Dissent is fine, but keep in mind that all the normal forum rules still apply, including rule 8.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 0:50:33 GMT
As public as this venue has been described, even by Mikko, it is a club one must register to in order to gain full access and benefits/utility. Having had being a clueless poo poo head moderator at SFI for some years, I fully understand what moderators and administrators are up against. Little of my time was spent in the pub there, as I was more busy with folk bickering about vendors and makers. I literally have hundreds of exchanges of archived messages and emails. Patrons screaming for justice and makers, polishers and vendors asking for suppression. I quit, simple as that. Forumites to this day blame the moderators and administrations. The best solution is to leave if one cannot cope with any reply and let the "law" figure it out. For me now, I restrain my thoughts of poo poo clueless individuals and had indicated I would try to be good. As soon as the virus snark and memes began (I am guilty) I knew there was going to be an issue. It is not that many wear thin skins and have no ability to read sarcasm, this isn't a public place (even if regarded as one). I was vocally taunted in my first moderation days at SFI and a couple of time outs calmed things down quite a bit. Really petty stuff but it was a challenge to the authority and the public executions were few and far between after that. That doesn't mean I am not deemed guilty of the downfall of SFI but here, as there, it is participation that drives any forum. One can be positive or critical. Some just want to have fun but imo, that needs to be in the compatible "though experiments" and Coke vs Pepsi types of threads. I'm missing all my Yellow Submarine icons from the moderation years but the Blue Meanies need to be using their appropriate avatars In closing, I have mentioned gated subsections for generally letting off steam, needling others and politics. This subsection will continue to be the hub of disagreement and despite the rules, the most likely to share hurt feelings. If those unhappy with moderators and administration are looking for solidarity, change your avatars to Or, as many do, simply say adieu Flood with your Blue Meanies memes now My old butterfly stomper moderation reply I used to have a gif of an arm and hammer projecting over a poster as they typed. I think the most used gifs I used as a moderator were my moved thread notices. Even then some just don't get the wit So, cheer up me buckos and don't forget to welcome fresh meat wherever they post and regarding anything they post. I see a great lack of that from most of you. Ingrates all you poo poo heads Cheers GC
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Post by Scott on Mar 17, 2020 1:41:15 GMT
I'm going to apologise in advance for any spelling mistakes, it's hard to type when wrapped in toilet paper but I'm not sick so bit must be working.
Thanks MOK for trying to clear this up, I can't say I envy the moderators here. As far as the suspension being an over reaction goes, he was warned multiple times to pull his head in and he didn't. Whatever you might think about the rules here we all agree to abide by them.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Mar 17, 2020 2:18:26 GMT
People arguing against the mod's rulings are frankly behaving like idiots. The rules exist to be equally enforced against everyone, and yet there are certain members who flagrantly break these rules. Their repeated scofflaw behavior encourages others to skirt, and even break, the rules we have all agreed to. Certain members have absolutely gotten away with more blatant disregard for the rules than they should have. These members should count themselves lucky they haven't already been perma-banned. The mods here are definitely more lenient than I would be to repeat offenders.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Mar 17, 2020 2:28:10 GMT
The way I see it is that it's "your house, your rules". I'm not paying to be here, and I'm here voluntarily. The fact I'm here is understood to mean that I agree to the rules of this place. And that's all I have to say about that. I got a new sword and I'm going to go play with it now. This is still a sword forum, yes?
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Post by demonskull on Mar 17, 2020 2:40:58 GMT
I've been quiet for months now but I'm not sure I can continue.
In the past several months there have been several posters running rampant over the rules. The Admin team has bent over backwards to warn them (yes them) and give them the opportunity to alter their approach. In some cases the offender has changed their ways and some have even apologized for their inappropriate outburst. Several have not and have been banned for a period of time.
What happens when a banned member returns and continues in the same vein ? Common sense says they haven't learned to control themselves and should suffer a penalty at least as severe as the original.
Now to my point, we are all guests here. Like any guest, the visitor has an obligation to obey the rules of their host. Paul has tendered the responsibility of enforcing those rules to a few individuals (moderators). All of those individuals chosen have proven to have the best long term interests of the forum in mind. Anyone who thinks that the moderators have accepted this responsibility for fame, fortune, or a power trip have no idea what being a moderator is. Glen has been a moderator ( so he knows), I've been a moderator on another forum for years so I do have an understanding of the time and effort each and every one of them puts in. They do this for no reason other than they like what the forum offers and represents.
My biggest issue is the attitude that "it's my right to voice my opinion", it isn't in this instance. This is a privately owned forum with specific rules.
Repeatedly (recently) the authority of the moderators have been challenged. This is not a right any of us have and should not be excused. Glen didn't mention one thing while discussing the similarities between SFI and SBG. He didn't mention that when Adrian Ko left SFI, it started the downward spiral. The passion for SFI burnt out and it could very easily happen here when the running of the forum becomes a bigger headache then it's worth.
"The Forum Rules said:
7. Do not question or make negative comments about moderation actions in the public forum. If you feel the need to question an action by the moderation team, please do so by private message. The same rules of conduct apply via private messages as they do on the regular forum."
If you're going to criticize the forum maybe you should ask yourself, " what have I done to promote and assist the running of the forum and make it a better place ?" before you offer criticism.
The only error MOK made was by allowing this thread.
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Post by treeslicer on Mar 17, 2020 2:51:13 GMT
I feel that the mods here are very sincere in trying to keep this a friendly place, and, IMHO, are doing a very good job. My POV is colored by my experiences both as a forum mod as well as GM'ing a game server. I will note that it's much more fun to set a horde of demons on a rogue player than it is to ban or otherwise chastise them. Fun to watch.
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Post by leviathansteak on Mar 17, 2020 3:47:14 GMT
The mods have been more than lenient with him, giving multiple warnings instead of proceeding with the temp bans.
He persisted in his behaviour and i see no issue in this ban. The rules are EASY to follow if you care to do so.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Mar 17, 2020 6:28:36 GMT
Rules rulez! The new system with: warnings - 3 days ban - again warnings - 30 days ban - again warnings - permadeath is very reasonable. Easy fo follow. It was just a bit unfortunate that this time the reaction on a relative low level violation was a bit late. But the reason was pointed out.
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Post by howler on Mar 17, 2020 7:23:42 GMT
Rules rulez! The new system with: warnings - 3 day ban - again warnings - 30 day ban - again warnings - permadeath is very reasonable. Easy fo follow. It was just a bit unfortunate that this time the reaction on a relative low level violation was a bit late. But the reason was pointed out. And it wasn't permanent with the mods knowing it was low level violation. Actually a pretty good joke, but harsher statements on that particular country were made earlier and he was warned (and we may not know all the exact particulars on the warning between the parties). Best thing to do is pay greater heed to warnings.
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Post by Dandelion on Mar 17, 2020 7:38:05 GMT
No problem with how things are handled here - mostly. And i say that as a "victim" of MOKMODS power! I deserved everything i got - i just thought often there are others who deserve it as well. He, wouldnt this be a cool name for a kaiju or a demon thing? The MOKMOD? No, seriously, the main problem i see is the (excuse me, my impression and opinion)"protection" or "cover" or "backup" some people/brands in here enjoyed over the years. Thats just how it looks for some of us, surely not only me.
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Post by Cosmoline on Mar 17, 2020 22:14:49 GMT
LordNewport has been trying to get himself banned for awhile now. He spewed a range of racist posts about Chinese students even after learning a HEMA student from China had been assaulted in Australia for the sin of being Chinese. He then decided to cyber-stalk me. He was treated very leniently for that, but has kept on with the same nonsense since then. He's likely some identitarian nutcase who's here to try to drum up racism. Basically--you can't view the meme as an isolated or innocent incident.
This is a sword forum, not a place to air identitarian philosophy or spew nonsense conspiracy theories.
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Post by Dandelion on Mar 17, 2020 23:59:14 GMT
LordNewport has been trying to get himself banned for awhile now. He spewed a range of racist posts about Chinese students even after learning a HEMA student from China had been assaulted in Australia for the sin of being Chinese. He then decided to cyber-stalk me. He was treated very leniently for that, but has kept on with the same nonsense since then. He's likely some identitarian nutcase who's here to try to drum up racism. Basically--you can't view the meme as an isolated or innocent incident.
This is a sword forum, not a place to air identitarian philosophy or spew nonsense conspiracy theories.
This. But there IS sometimes some things going strange in here.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Mar 18, 2020 1:08:01 GMT
LordNewport has been trying to get himself banned for awhile now. He spewed a range of racist posts about Chinese students even after learning a HEMA student from China had been assaulted in Australia for the sin of being Chinese. He then decided to cyber-stalk me. He was treated very leniently for that, but has kept on with the same nonsense since then. He's likely some identitarian nutcase who's here to try to drum up racism. Basically--you can't view the meme as an isolated or innocent incident.
This is a sword forum, not a place to air identitarian philosophy or spew nonsense conspiracy theories.
This. But there IS sometimes some things going strange in here. Well yeah, strange? HAHAHAHAHA... We're freaks by modern standards... Hello family
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Post by MOK on Mar 18, 2020 13:09:58 GMT
That said, please do be very careful with making allegations about other posters and calling them names, especially in their absence.
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Post by pgandy on Mar 18, 2020 13:45:48 GMT
Headlines from elsewhere “MSNBC’s Jean-Pierrez: Trump Calling Coronavirus a Chinese Virus is ‘Dangerous’ Racism”. So what is racism other than something people carry too far or use as a catch-all phrase?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Mar 18, 2020 14:03:14 GMT
Headlines from elsewhere “MSNBC’s Jean-Pierrez: Trump Calling Coronavirus a Chinese Virus is ‘Dangerous’ Racism”. So what is racism other than something people carry too far or use as a catch-all phrase? I'm not understanding the question you are asking, but associating a virus with a specific group of people is a dangerous and bigoted practice. I remember the 1980s, when AIDS was considered a "dirty" disease, only spread among drug addicts and gay men. Such a sentiment is abhorrent. It was then, and it is now.
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