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Post by vecna808 on Feb 26, 2020 0:10:39 GMT
From a casual google
Both way too expensive but you know where I am going with this.
Anyone got any other suggestions. ? Something I have not thought of . If I find something perfect will post.
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Post by Scott on Feb 26, 2020 0:19:46 GMT
Neither of those looks like it would provide much protection for the neck or throat. What type of sparring are you doing?
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Post by vecna808 on Feb 26, 2020 0:38:56 GMT
Neither of those looks like it would provide much protection for the neck or throat. What type of sparring are you doing?
Yes would take separate neck guard, but both have Plexiglas visors and good breathing which is what was really looking for.
Normal steel longsword with folded tips, would be worst It has to take.
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Post by harrybeck on Feb 26, 2020 1:27:42 GMT
I use a steel bonnet custom made for me by darkwood, along with a period matching gorget
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Feb 26, 2020 4:26:51 GMT
Fencing masks breathe well, don't inhibit your vision very much and have a throat bib. You're welcone to try other things but there's a reason they're standard.
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Post by vecna808 on Feb 26, 2020 5:48:35 GMT
I use a steel bonnet custom made for me by darkwood, along with a period matching gorget
Not sure I understand, link ?
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Post by vecna808 on Feb 26, 2020 5:56:04 GMT
Fencing masks breathe well, don't inhibit your vision very much and have a throat bib. You're welcone to try other things but there's a reason they're standard.
Its the vision bit thats the problem, for some reason wearing the standard one ( not sure what gauge it is ) I lose my very good depth perception, maybe its the mask combined with short sighted ( will try tomorrow with glasses, but have trained without all the time ). Ok will ( may ) get used to it but would prefer a good vizor, at this rate will try my motorcycle helm.
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Post by MOK on Feb 26, 2020 12:37:45 GMT
Fencing masks breathe well, don't inhibit your vision very much and have a throat bib. You're welcone to try other things but there's a reason they're standard. Its the vision bit thats the problem, for some reason wearing the standard one ( not sure what gauge it is ) I lose my very good depth perception, maybe its the mask combined with short sighted ( will try tomorrow with glasses, but have trained without all the time ). Ok will ( may ) get used to it but would prefer a good vizor, at this rate will try my motorcycle helm.
I wouldn't. Most of them will fog up and get very stuffy very quickly, and aren't built to endure the kind of repeated, sharply localized impacts even practice swords can dish out. The smooth curvy shape helps, but it'll get all banged up relatively fast, and I wouldn't be surprised if the visor breaks under a square hit. (I used one for paintball once, in an "emergency". Wasn't exactly ideal.)
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Post by pgandy on Feb 26, 2020 13:46:52 GMT
It sounds as though you are trying to reinvent the wheel. Not only is there a possibility of fogging, Plexiglas is subject to scratching. It appears to me the Shark helmet will transmit sound readily, if that will be a problem.
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Post by vecna808 on Feb 26, 2020 18:02:23 GMT
Its the vision bit thats the problem, for some reason wearing the standard one ( not sure what gauge it is ) I lose my very good depth perception, maybe its the mask combined with short sighted ( will try tomorrow with glasses, but have trained without all the time ). Ok will ( may ) get used to it but would prefer a good vizor, at this rate will try my motorcycle helm.
I wouldn't. Most of them will fog up and get very stuffy very quickly, and aren't built to endure the kind of repeated, sharply localized impacts even practice swords can dish out. The smooth curvy shape helps, but it'll get all banged up relatively fast, and I wouldn't be surprised if the visor breaks under a square hit. (I used one for paintball once, in an "emergency". Wasn't exactly ideal.)
Thanks mate, that the sort of practical advice I need, if you have tried a paintball helm and its crap then I am going to be hard pressed to find what I want out there for the price I want to pay.
Finally though while googling did notice they had Plexiglas fencing masks in 2002, but were abandoned for some reason
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Post by vecna808 on Feb 26, 2020 18:08:13 GMT
It sounds as though you are trying to reinvent the wheel. Not only is there a possibility of fogging, Plexiglas is subject to scratching. It appears to me the Shark helmet will transmit sound readily, if that will be a problem.
The shark helm is a motorcycle helm, the visor will not scratch easy, and if it does its not a prob hardly affects vision.( I am a lifelong motorcyclist, and a fireblade owner to boot, so dont drive slow lol ) Visor will not break period , motorcycle kit is built to extram standards. Most prob will not fog either
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Post by MOK on Feb 26, 2020 18:14:16 GMT
Well, plexiglass gets in the way of breathing a lot more than wire mesh and, like pgandy says, is liable to become covered in scratches over time which will hinder your vision just as much. At thicknesses feasible for longsword fencing it's probably heavier, too.
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Post by Cosmoline on Feb 26, 2020 19:30:02 GMT
Standard fencing masks do absolutely SUCK for HEMA tournaments and other full speed applications. They are way too light and don't protect against head trauma well at all. Nor do they have good neck or back of the head protection. They were used 20 years ago because there wasn't anything else, and unfortunately many were just rebranded and sold for HEMA. Motorcycle gear was absolutely tried in the early days and there are good reasons nobody uses it now. Steel simulators will tear up the visor and it's simply not designed to be used for this. It also comes down to why you'd put an expensive motorcycle helmet through this kind of punishment.
Ditto hockey gear. It's been used and abandoned. The hockey gloves in particular were used, and still get used for nylon sparring. The masks have holes in them. Steel goes through holes. Also swords can hit the back of your head too.
Thankfully there are alternatives. The Terry Tindal "Thatguy" masks are the high water mark, though expensive and difficult to find. These are crafted from perforated steel and are fricking tanks. There are also the new "melmet" clam-fit steel masks that are in prototype. But of the available items, I highly recommend the PBT "Warrior" upgraded masks with a good overlay. www.woodenswords.com/product_p/p-mask.warrior.htmThese are much higher rated for impact and have a steel cage inside. They're also much roomier than other HEMA masks, and let you breath and have glasses on. I don't get any of the usual ear ringing with mine, and no head pain at all. The drawback is that the mesh is still FIE standard and it really needs to be stronger. But with the steel cage and a good overlay this isn't a significant issue. Plus they're still way, way better than the bog standard fencing/HEMA masks. The next gen will doubtless have stainless perforations instead of mesh.
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