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Post by whtrose118 on Feb 10, 2020 0:12:17 GMT
What nation is this sword from? There are no makers markings and I am just learning to post on here.  |
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Post by whtrose118 on Feb 10, 2020 0:35:59 GMT
 Here is the reverse. |
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Post by whtrose118 on Feb 10, 2020 0:37:44 GMT
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Post by Dave Kelly on Feb 10, 2020 2:33:35 GMT
Looks like a late 19th Century Victorian replica of a 16th Century sidesword/rapier. Guessing as there are no marks. These get on ebay once and a while.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 10, 2020 18:14:20 GMT
I bet it has 'Toledo' etched somewhere...
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 10, 2020 18:15:48 GMT
I bet it has 'Toledo' etched somewhere...    |
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Post by MOK on Feb 10, 2020 18:33:31 GMT
I would have guessed Spanish souvenir, as well - that's what "made in Toledo" means these days - maybe Victorian but no older than that. It's in 16th Century Spanish style, but overall looks very modern to me.
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Post by whtrose118 on Feb 10, 2020 21:11:47 GMT
It is very well balanced and is of really quality construction. It is not like any Toledo made sword I’ve seen. Did the smiths in Victorian times make good quality blades? Curious what is the process for making the wrapping of the grip with the projecting lobes like it is done on this sword?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 1:45:24 GMT
Welcome aboard I actually had this sword on my Gixen sniping list until bids started rolling in. While the hilt does have some very evident machining keeping it "not" 16th-17th century, the blade may be older than the hilt. I think the starting price was $130-150, something like that so that would be the first indication to anyone it was not expected to be 450 years old. Really, post up all the auction pictures if you saved them. The blade was not of a pure Toledo tourista level make. As an aside, it was in the late 1800s when import regulations started demanding origin markings (1887 England vs Germany/ iirc). Here is a sibling of that sword currently on ebay that has a rebated blade www.ebay.com/itm/EUROPEN-17TH-CENTURY-SWORD/383144684902The blade on this one of the thread has a pretty short blade but I am not remembering, exactly and did not save the images or data, The style is Italian/Venetian of the 16th century. Cheers GC I meant to add regarding the wire work on the grip. Even more extraordinary are the ones forming an entire helix the length of the grip. Planishing (hammering) and burnishing and pitch/resin (and clamps). Neat stuff! |
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Post by MOK on Feb 13, 2020 5:37:38 GMT
For reference here's an antique in this style, this one Spanish (many were also Venetian, indeed), late 16th Century, by Sebastian Hernandez the elder:  PS. Edelweiss is right that the blade doesn't really look all that typical for a Toledo wallhanger, and seems somewhat undersized for the hilt. It could potentially be older and from a "real" sword; the overall consistent patina may indicate an old composite. Hard to say, but more photos could help, of course! |
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