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Post by demonskull on Jan 15, 2020 3:04:30 GMT
Justice is relative:
A murder of your sibling: death to the perpetrator or imprisonment and for how long- to one person the first is justice to another the second option is justice
Don't want to get into the politics, just saying it means different things to different people.
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Post by treeslicer on Jan 15, 2020 3:10:10 GMT
Justice is relative: A murder of your sibling: death to the perpetrator or imprisonment and for how long- to one person the first is justice to another the second option is justice Don't want to get into the politics, just saying it means different things to different people. I prefer Greek Δίκη to Roman justicia as a basis for law, anyway.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 15, 2020 3:15:06 GMT
I mean, if I scam a disabled person out of their social security checks, then request a trial by combat, I could probably end the trial in my favor. Hardly justice. You haven't answered the question: What is justice? I hear everybody wanting it, but I have yet to hear anybody give a clear definition of what exactly it is. Is justice a concept, a tangible and measurable standard, or??? I may not be able perfectly describe the concept of justice - but I know what it is not. And your fantasy ideal is most certainly not that.
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Post by MOK on Jan 15, 2020 4:44:49 GMT
He's explicitly trolling.
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Post by zabazagobo on Jan 15, 2020 4:50:26 GMT
Justice is relative: A murder of your sibling: death to the perpetrator or imprisonment and for how long- to one person the first is justice to another the second option is justice Don't want to get into the politics, just saying it means different things to different people. I prefer Greek Δίκη to Roman justicia as a basis for law, anyway. Beat me to a Plato reference/joke. Completely agree, it's as simple as "don't be an ***hole"
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Post by zabazagobo on Jan 15, 2020 4:53:04 GMT
Now on the original article...
Although, to be completely fair, the court system in this country is often incredibly unfair. Especially with regards to divorce...
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Post by Scott on Jan 15, 2020 7:38:25 GMT
I don't know, maybe. I like the way he thinks. If we did more trial by combat, then we would have fewer frivolous court cases. Nope. You'd just get frivolous cases started by those who know how to fight against those that don't. As for hiring a champion, if you look at Jordan's example the person on a disability pension who's been defrauded can hire a champion right? With what money? Not like they'd have much before someone started stealing it.
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Post by bebut on Jan 15, 2020 12:27:44 GMT
Justice is a moral concept, the courts deal in legality. They overlap but do not always match. And since both morals and laws change, it can get real fuzzy.
The arena would certainly be cheaper. Legal representation has priced itself out of reach in many cases.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jan 15, 2020 13:04:01 GMT
Justice is a moral concept, the courts deal in legality. They overlap but do not always match. And since both morals and laws change, it can get real fuzzy. The arena would certainly be cheaper. Legal representation has priced itself out of reach in many cases. Individuals can already represent themselves pro se. It's hilarious that you think judicial champions, risking life and limb, would be more affordable than an attorney.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Jan 15, 2020 14:17:29 GMT
If you ever sat on a jury you have probably seen some pretty incompetent attorneys at work, I have. I saw one where I world have fired both of them, the only thing that made the decision easy was the testimony of the one sides own witness against them. I remember on the news where one guy got so mad at his attorney for botching up the case he tried to shoot him right outside the courthouse. Good thing the guy was a really bad shot. Remember, they get paid whether they win or not. If there are any attorneys here I'm just saying some are incompetent not all.
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Post by MOK on Jan 15, 2020 14:43:37 GMT
If you ever sat on a jury you have probably seen some pretty incompetent attorneys at work, I have. I saw one where I world have fired both of them, the only thing that made the decision easy was the testimony of the one sides own witness against them. I remember on the news where one guy got so mad at his attorney for botching up the case he tried to shoot him right outside the courthouse. Good thing the guy was a really bad shot. Remember, they get paid whether they win or not. But also remember that half or more of the time they should not "win" (whatever that actually means in any given case). Civil cases are typically more about negotiating an agreement between two more or less hostile parties, and in criminal cases lawyers must represent the guilty and the innocent alike.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 15:09:00 GMT
I'm not sure if justice means who is better at fighting. Seems like that system would always favour the althetic. I'm pretty sure that world would be a bit of a hellscape. Imagine if the mountain existed lol. He would never be brought to justice
Sounds like the ideal world for violent brutes
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jan 15, 2020 16:54:04 GMT
Justice is for sale either way. Hire a lawyer or hire a champion, either way those with money get better results than those that don't.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jan 15, 2020 16:57:48 GMT
I'm not sure if justice means who is better at fighting. Seems like that system would always favour the althetic. I'm pretty sure that world would be a bit of a hellscape. Imagine if the mountain existed lol. He would never be brought to justice Sounds like the ideal world for violent brutes As long as "The Mountain" fought like he did in the TV show, I'd be happy to take him on (keep in mind I'm Rory McCann's size). Remember, Mando had him on the ropes until he made the rookie mistake of not decapitating Gregor from outside of arm's reach. Short of a nuke from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. Unless we can agree I'm intrinsically always right, people like me are why Trial By Combat is a stupid idea.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jan 15, 2020 17:00:23 GMT
Justice is for sale either way. Hire a lawyer or hire a champion, either way those with money get better results than those that don't. ...please, show us on the doll where the divorce lawyer touched you...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 17:44:44 GMT
I have no idea if I would rather die in a battle or die in jail. I think my inability to shut up and my refusal to be in a gang would likely get me killed in there lol. But maybe it wouldn't be too bad
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 17:49:03 GMT
I'm not sure if justice means who is better at fighting. Seems like that system would always favour the althetic. I'm pretty sure that world would be a bit of a hellscape. Imagine if the mountain existed lol. He would never be brought to justice Sounds like the ideal world for violent brutes As long as "The Mountain" fought like he did in the TV show, I'd be happy to take him on (keep in mind I'm Rory McCann's size). Remember, Mando had him on the ropes until he made the rookie mistake of not decapitating Gregor from outside of arm's reach. Short of a nuke from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. Unless we can agree I'm intrinsically always right, people like me are why Trial By Combat is a stupid idea. Wait, aren't you liek super tall? Bruh, you are the mountain
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jan 15, 2020 17:58:27 GMT
I have no idea if I would rather die in a battle or die in jail. I think my inability to shut up and my refusal to be in a gang would likely get me killed in there lol. But maybe it wouldn't be too bad It's easy to feel that way looking from the outside in, but I'm sure you're feelings would change if you found yourself in that position (in prison). The human animal is fantastically adapted to habituate to hostile environments, and especially one's which are social constructs.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jan 15, 2020 18:08:27 GMT
As long as "The Mountain" fought like he did in the TV show, I'd be happy to take him on (keep in mind I'm Rory McCann's size). Remember, Mando had him on the ropes until he made the rookie mistake of not decapitating Gregor from outside of arm's reach. Short of a nuke from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. Unless we can agree I'm intrinsically always right, people like me are why Trial By Combat is a stupid idea. Wait, aren't you liek super tall? Bruh, you are the mountain In case you didn't get the reference, Rory McCann is the actor who played The Hound (Sandor Clegane). He's the same height and build as me. If Google is to be believed, Hafthor Bjornsson (the guy who played the Mountain) is about 3 inches taller than me (6 foot 9 inches), and pretty much twice my weight (425 pounds!!!). I think armed combat with the guy would be pretty reasonable, my arms are pretty long for my height, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to grapple with the guy.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 15, 2020 18:11:36 GMT
I have no idea if I would rather die in a battle or die in jail. I think my inability to shut up and my refusal to be in a gang would likely get me killed in there lol. But maybe it wouldn't be too bad Well, from what I have been told by guards/former inmates, once you're in prison you're pretty much already in a gang based on your race.
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