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Post by sparkay on Dec 28, 2019 18:16:11 GMT
Hi Everyone, I'm new to this sight so please be gentle! I'd appreciate peoples' opinion on this sword. I bought it in the mid 90s from an antiques fair (for about £25) before I knew anything about swords. I thought back then maybe it's a French cuirassier sabre (!) but after comparing, it was not the same. Also after seeing the real thing in a museum this was smaller. It was in this same condition when I bought it. Someone seems to have made a crude 'repair' to the grip using string and mangled the guard. Also the tip seems to have been cut short. But just now searching online I found similar pictures and it looks like a Russian cuirassier 1826 model? Like this But is it the real thing, a replica or even child's sword as it seems a tad small? There are no stamps or marks anywhere except on the side of the blade near the guard; a shield with a Z inside and a crown on top. (See pic) Can anyone confirm what it is? I've added this photo with an American civil war sword next to it below Thanks in advance.
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Post by pgandy on Dec 28, 2019 18:37:11 GMT
You repeatedly use the words like small, smaller, etc. Some dimensions would be useful.
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Post by sparkay on Dec 28, 2019 18:48:45 GMT
You repeatedly use the words like small, smaller, etc. Some dimensions would be useful. Can you see the photos with the tape measure and civil war sword comparison? The length of the blade is meaningless as it's been cut down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 19:50:27 GMT
Welcome aboard. While not really my purview of interests, I can offer this off the top of my head without digging in what books I have. The blade mark reads as Clemens and Jung and the mark changes around the end of the 19th century, losing the crown on blade marks. The company name remains in business. clejuso.com/During the Franco-Prussian war period, the Prussian were known to press both captured swords and frankenswords into use, so I would not necessarily say Russian 1826. The blade mark is later than an 1826 timeline. You might do well to repost this in the dedicated subforum here, or over at Sword Forum International. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/board/60/renaissance-military-swordswww.swordforum.com/vb4/forumdisplay.php?11-Antique-amp-Military-Sword-ForumCheers GC
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 28, 2019 20:06:51 GMT
You repeatedly use the words like small, smaller, etc. Some dimensions would be useful. Can you see the photos with the tape measure and civil war sword comparison? The length of the blade is meaningless as it's been cut down. Thickness, width, weight, etc. You're the one asking for a favor, it would do well do provide as much information as possible even if it seems redundant.
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Post by sparkay on Dec 28, 2019 20:11:42 GMT
Welcome aboard. While not really my purview of interests, I can offer this off the top of my head without digging in what books I have. The blade mark reads as Clemens and Jung and the mark changes around the end of the 19th century, losing the crown on blade marks. The company name remains in business. clejuso.com/During the Franco-Prussian war period, the Prussian were known to press both captured swords and frankenswords into use, so I would not necessarily say Russian 1826. The blade mark is later than an 1826 timeline. You might do well to repost this in the dedicated subforum here, or over at Sword Forum International. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/board/60/renaissance-military-swordswww.swordforum.com/vb4/forumdisplay.php?11-Antique-amp-Military-Sword-ForumCheers GC That's great for starters, getting the blade maker! That's baffled me for years! So at least a proper make. Will try to repost. Many thanks
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Post by sparkay on Dec 28, 2019 20:22:57 GMT
Can you see the photos with the tape measure and civil war sword comparison? The length of the blade is meaningless as it's been cut down. Thickness, width, weight, etc. You're the one asking for a favor, it would do well do provide as much information as possible even if it seems redundant. Sorry I wasn't being rude, I've not posted before so thought the photos might not have come through. Good to get clarification of what info you need. Will measure and add, cheers
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Post by sparkay on Dec 28, 2019 21:01:37 GMT
You repeatedly use the words like small, smaller, etc. Some dimensions would be useful. So here are some measurements Blade thickness at hilt 0.8cm or 0.4 inches Blade width at hilt 2.4cm or 0.94 inches Length (cut short) 74cm or 29 inches Weight 1lb 9oz. or 0.72 kg Guard length approx 15cm
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Post by Pino on Dec 28, 2019 21:03:12 GMT
It's a Prussian cuirassier officer dress sword, made after 1880. The Clemen & Jung stamp, hilt form and flat pommel confirm this. These were made in all shapes and sizes but the tips were spear point so this one has indeed been cut down. A bit of reference
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Post by sparkay on Dec 28, 2019 21:47:27 GMT
It's a Prussian cuirassier officer dress sword, made after 1880. The Clemen & Jung stamp, hilt form and flat pommel confirm this. These were made in all shapes and sizes but the tips were spear point so this one has indeed been cut down. A bit of referenceOh wow that's great! All adds up. Thanks so much!
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Post by pgandy on Dec 28, 2019 22:12:07 GMT
So here are some measurements Blade thickness at hilt 0.8cm or 0.4 inches Blade width at hilt 2.4cm or 0.94 inches Length (cut short) 74cm or 29 inches Weight 1lb 9oz. or 0.72 kg Guard length approx 15cm That's more informative and you got your answer within the hour. Welcome to the forum Sparky.
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Post by sparkay on Dec 28, 2019 22:39:58 GMT
So here are some measurements Blade thickness at hilt 0.8cm or 0.4 inches Blade width at hilt 2.4cm or 0.94 inches Length (cut short) 74cm or 29 inches Weight 1lb 9oz. or 0.72 kg Guard length approx 15cm That's more informative and you got your answer within the hour. Welcome to the forum Sparky. Thanks that's great! I'll put more info next time - I assumed photos were enough not having posted before.
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