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Post by ballenxj on Jan 3, 2020 0:37:51 GMT
Here is one that I attended in Victoria, British Columbia, that was run by Blood & Iron and was filmed by Skallagrim. I used my ATrim XVIa.4 to perform a double cut through 3 tatami mats during the final round of that one.
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And here is a link to the playlists of footage from Swordsquatch this year. It has playlists for the various cutting feats that we did there:
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 3, 2020 0:41:52 GMT
Here is one that I attended in Victoria, British Columbia, that was run by Blood & Iron and was filmed by Skallagrim. I used my ATrim XVIa.4 to perform a double cut through 3 tatami mats during the final round of that one.
And here is a link to the playlists of footage from Swordsquatch this year. It has playlists for the various cutting feats that we did there:
Is dipping your shoulder like that considered good form? I'm am ranked in JSA and placed well in many TaiKai's in the US and Japan. The Ryu-ha is studied specifically focused on tamishigiri and dipping your shoulder like that was considered poor form...I assume in HEMA it's different?
Yes, dipping your shoulder like that is penalized in HEMA tournaments. The gentleman in that image over committed on his second cut when he attempted the triple mat double cut.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 3, 2020 0:42:13 GMT
Yes, dipping your shoulder like that is penalized in HEMA tournaments. The gentleman in that image over committed on his second cut when he attempted the triple mat double cut. So few people realize this Is in many ways like golf or baseball...it's technique that wins...too many try to muscle the blade thru the target with brute strength and end up hurting themselves and with the shoulder dippers, hitting the ground with their sword tips...
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 3, 2020 0:53:51 GMT
Is dipping your shoulder like that considered good form? I'm am ranked in JSA and placed well in many TaiKai's in the US and Japan. The Ryu-ha is studied specifically focused on tamishigiri and dipping your shoulder like that was considered poor form...I assume in HEMA it's different?
Yes, dipping your shoulder like that is penalized in HEMA tournaments. The gentleman in that image over committed on his second cut when he attempted the triple mat double cut.
Also, is there no formal method of approach to address the target? A number of competitors just looked like they randomly ran up (hopped..lol) to the target and started wailing away with sticks...
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 3, 2020 1:25:31 GMT
Yes, dipping your shoulder like that is penalized in HEMA tournaments. The gentleman in that image over committed on his second cut when he attempted the triple mat double cut.
Also, is there no formal method of approach to address the target? A number of competitors just looked like they randomly ran up (hopped..lol) to the target and started wailing away with sticks... Typically, the person running the tournament will tell competitiors what is expected as far as approaching the target. In the past, some required cutting without a step, but most that I have attended either required a step with the cut or didn't specify. Sloppy cuts, unbalanced/wild form, over-committing are all penalized.
The cutting tournament rule set from CombatCon might help give you an idea of what is expected and/or penalized (scroll to the bottom):
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 4, 2020 6:23:06 GMT
Here is one that I attended in Victoria, British Columbia, that was run by Blood & Iron and was filmed by Skallagrim. I used my ATrim XVIa.4 to perform a double cut through 3 tatami mats during the final round of that one.
And here is a link to the playlists of footage from Swordsquatch this year. It has playlists for the various cutting feats that we did there:
It appears that "black is the new black" in terms of attire for these events... Is it prescribed? No one wears period costuming correct for the period of their blades? No one draws from a sheathed sword and cuts while wearing a sheath? No one cuts while wearing armor? I have never seen HEMA competitions before so just wondering...
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 4, 2020 7:22:37 GMT
Here is one that I attended in Victoria, British Columbia, that was run by Blood & Iron and was filmed by Skallagrim. I used my ATrim XVIa.4 to perform a double cut through 3 tatami mats during the final round of that one.
And here is a link to the playlists of footage from Swordsquatch this year. It has playlists for the various cutting feats that we did there:
It appears that "black is the new black" in terms of attire for these events... Is it prescribed? No one wears period costuming correct for the period of their blades? No one draws from a sheathed sword and cuts while wearing a sheath? No one cuts while wearing armor? I have never seen HEMA competitions before so just wondering... That's more SCA. I did feel like a saw someone wearing period pants at SoCal cutting, not sure. I know a few people used period pants in the rapier and dagger comp iirc.
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 4, 2020 18:45:31 GMT
Black is definitely the popular color. In the early years of HEMA fencing tournaments, a conscious effort was made to distinguish their protective equipment from sport fencing gear, which is predominantly white. HEMA masks, jackets, pants and gloves were mostly made with black material, and to a large extent, still are today. So yes, black is the predominant color in HEMA.
As was mentioned above, some people fence in gear that looks more like period clothing, but cutting in period clothing is not common. As for cutting in armor, I want to say that was done once at Longpoint in Baltimore, MD. But that of course requires that everyone competing owns a set of armor.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 4, 2020 19:26:36 GMT
Black is definitely the popular color. In the early years of HEMA fencing tournaments, a conscious effort was made to distinguish their protective equipment from sport fencing gear, which is predominantly white. HEMA masks, jackets, pants and gloves were mostly made with black material, and to a large extent, still are today. So yes, black is the predominant color in HEMA.
As was mentioned above, some people fence in gear that looks more like period clothing, but cutting in period clothing is not common. As for cutting in armor, I want to say that was done once at Longpoint in Baltimore, MD. But that of course requires that everyone competing owns a set of armor.
I own chainmaille hauberk and coif and period clothing. I know in JSA we always wear period correct clothing / equipment. Wearing period kit makes it all the more realistic... maybe as a separate competitive class. Requiring armor consistent with the blade being used would certainly eliminate all the out of shape gamer types who come out of their parents basements to wack away at targets and waste everyone's time. In short it would require competitors who were serious and trained like true medieval warriors to deal with the weight and movement restrictions of armor, reproducing historically more accurate results .
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 4, 2020 19:47:36 GMT
If you are really interested in HEMA, do some research. There are reasons why things are done the way they are done. Most of the manuals studied are for Bloßfechten or "bare fighting" - the technique of fighting without significant protective armour such as plate, mail or a brigandine.
The Wiktenauer website has free online translations of all of the major historical treatises that are studied in HEMA.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 4, 2020 19:52:11 GMT
If you are really interested in HEMA, do some research. There are reasons why things are done the way they are done. Most of the manuals studied are for Bloßfechten or "bare fighting" - the technique of fighting without significant protective armour such as plate, mail or a brigandine.
The Wiktenhauer website has free online translations of all of the major historical treatises that are studied in HEMA.
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Post by Cosmoline on Jan 9, 2020 1:16:24 GMT
It appears that "black is the new black" in terms of attire for these events... Is it prescribed? No one wears period costuming correct for the period of their blades? No one draws from a sheathed sword and cuts while wearing a sheath? No one cuts while wearing armor? I have never seen HEMA competitions before so just wondering... That's more SCA. I did feel like a saw someone wearing period pants at SoCal cutting, not sure. I know a few people used period pants in the rapier and dagger comp iirc. Oh lord, don't get started on the HEMA color scheme! I have been nearly tarred and feathered for bringing this up. The bottom line is that the folks who created modern HEMA wanted to both distinguish it from the white color scheme of modern Olympic fencing and from the costumed "play" of SCA/LARP. So there was a frantic desire to avoid being seen as goofballs playing with swords. Even if we are, in fact, goofballs playing with swords. Thankfully there's been a movement away from a unified color scheme esp. in the western US in the past few years. I saw a lot of different gear schemes at Swordsquatch in sept. And of course there's a core of folks who pre-date "HEMA" and have been doing WMA sparring in period kit for thirty years or more. There's really no reason to wear uniform colors, or to wear ties and suits for cutting as was the vogue back east and in Scandinavia for some reason. Personally I'm going to be shifting to a more medieval-themed kit with a green gambeson as the base.
As far as cutting, it's still in its early stages as a competition. I think everyone agrees we need to do better integrating it with fighting and standardizing the scoring. It's a lot of fun in any case.
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Post by ballenxj on Jan 9, 2020 1:51:23 GMT
The cutting tournament rule set from CombatCon might help give you an idea of what is expected and/or penalized (scroll to the bottom):
Awesome, Thanks. It appears the next match will be in Las Vegas?
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 9, 2020 1:52:26 GMT
That's more SCA. I did feel like a saw someone wearing period pants at SoCal cutting, not sure. I know a few people used period pants in the rapier and dagger comp iirc. Oh lord, don't get started on the HEMA color scheme! I have been nearly tarred and feathered for bringing this up. The bottom line is that the folks who created modern HEMA wanted to both distinguish it from the white color scheme of modern Olympic fencing and from the costumed "play" of SCA/LARP. So there was a frantic desire to avoid being seen as goofballs playing with swords. Even if we are, in fact, goofballs playing with swords. Thankfully there's been a movement away from a unified color scheme esp. in the western US in the past few years. I saw a lot of different gear schemes at Swordsquatch in sept. And of course there's a core of folks who pre-date "HEMA" and have been doing WMA sparring in period kit for thirty years or more. There's really no reason to wear uniform colors, or to wear ties and suits for cutting as was the vogue back east and in Scandinavia for some reason. Personally I'm going to be shifting to a more medieval-themed kit with a green gambeson as the base.
As far as cutting, it's still in its early stages as a competition. I think everyone agrees we need to do better integrating it with fighting and standardizing the scoring. It's a lot of fun in any case.
Eh, I kinda like it. Plus... period dress for sabre and broadsword? Plus plus, it sort of enforces a very basic standard of dress and protection that's easy to understand and use.
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Post by Cosmoline on Jan 9, 2020 19:50:07 GMT
The standardized dress for safety issues is essential if you're going to do full contact, of course. But color and design do NOT need to be standardized and, at present, aren't. There's an obsession among some in HEMA to "look professional" that doesn't make much sense. We are always going to be goofballs with swords, no matter how hard people try. Just embrace it.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 9, 2020 20:16:37 GMT
The standardized dress for safety issues is essential if you're going to do full contact, of course. But color and design do NOT need to be standardized and, at present, aren't. There's an obsession among some in HEMA to "look professional" that doesn't make much sense. We are always going to be goofballs with swords, no matter how hard people try. Just embrace it. Well, I guess we have fundamentally different approaches to this. I view it as a martial art and practice it seriously, though I know I won't use it in real fighting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 1:46:24 GMT
Black covers blood pretty well.
Seriously, black is a fairly neutral color.
Although not a cutting competitor, I noticed that at an annual thing that I thought some friends were emulating my black polos from the years past. It might well have been coincidence that we all color coordinated for that weekend.
ARMA has their own color thing going and I know other longsword groups that dote on turnshoes as de rigueur.
I don't view the longsword competitions the same I would as longsword bouting demonstrations and I would venture to guess that a fair number of cutting competitors have little, or no time spent in longsword studies. Surely, many must be involved but many classes I read of just stress comfortable clothes and soft sole shoes.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 10, 2020 2:30:11 GMT
Oh lord, don't get started on the HEMA color scheme! I have been nearly tarred and feathered for bringing this up. The bottom line is that the folks who created modern HEMA wanted to both distinguish it from the white color scheme of modern Olympic fencing and from the costumed "play" of SCA/LARP. So there was a frantic desire to avoid being seen as goofballs playing with swords. Even if we are, in fact, goofballs playing with swords. Thankfully there's been a movement away from a unified color scheme esp. in the western US in the past few years. I saw a lot of different gear schemes at Swordsquatch in sept. And of course there's a core of folks who pre-date "HEMA" and have been doing WMA sparring in period kit for thirty years or more. There's really no reason to wear uniform colors, or to wear ties and suits for cutting as was the vogue back east and in Scandinavia for some reason. Personally I'm going to be shifting to a more medieval-themed kit with a green gambeson as the base.
As far as cutting, it's still in its early stages as a competition. I think everyone agrees we need to do better integrating it with fighting and standardizing the scoring. It's a lot of fun in any case.
Eh, I kinda like it. Plus... period dress for sabre and broadsword? Plus plus, it sort of enforces a very basic standard of dress and protection that's easy to understand and use. Back jeans and a black T shirt with a pithy comment emblazoned on it?
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 10, 2020 2:34:50 GMT
Eh, I kinda like it. Plus... period dress for sabre and broadsword? Plus plus, it sort of enforces a very basic standard of dress and protection that's easy to understand and use. Back jeans and a black T shirt with a pithy comment emblazoned on it? Not sure I've seen that competing... would be difficult to get people to fence you if you are wearing no gear. My comment re: standard of dress and protection really is made regarding fencing. Not necessarily cutting.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 10, 2020 3:55:46 GMT
Back jeans and a black T shirt with a pithy comment emblazoned on it? Not sure I've seen that competing... would be difficult to get people to fence you if you are wearing no gear. My comment re: standard of dress and protection really is made regarding fencing. Not necessarily cutting. My misunderstanding ...I thought you were referring to The HEMA cutting video in the thread. I am aware of the protective gear/uniform required for fencing..
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