Edge weapons in 2 eras of warfare

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kk
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Edge weapons in 2 eras of warfare Nov 14, 2019 6:41:04 GMT

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Post by kk on Nov 14, 2019 6:41:04 GMT

Warring State Battle between the Kingdom of Chu and the Kingdom of Qin
Before 230 BCE

What is the single handed edge weapon used in this battle ?
What is the single handed edge weapon NOT seen in this battle ?

Han Dynasty Battle by the Bridge
AFTER 120 BCE
What is the single handed edge weapon used in this battle ?
What is the single handed edge weapon NOT seen in this battle ?

And the observation is:

There is no Dao in the Warring State battle, Dao have not yet been invented.
At Warring state period, troops fight with a Jian similar to this

lkchensword.com/magnificent-chu-jian

There is no Jian in the second battle.
By the time of Middle to Late Han Dynasty, Dao replaced the Jian as the main battle weapon.

lkchensword.com/royal-arsenal

legacyofthesword
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Edge weapons in 2 eras of warfare Nov 14, 2019 17:10:12 GMT via mobile

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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 14, 2019 17:10:12 GMT

Interesting. The dao never lost it's popularity as a battlefield weapon, and was, I believe, more popular with most soldiers than the jian.

However, the jian and the dao seem to weight roughly the same, and the main difference seems to be the single edge and the curvature (though this is often very slight) of the blade.

I wonder why the change happened. More use of cavalry? Dao being a more robust design?

themuffinslayer
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Edge weapons in 2 eras of warfare Nov 14, 2019 20:02:31 GMT via mobile

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Post by themuffinslayer on Nov 14, 2019 20:02:31 GMT

Nov 14, 2019 17:10:12 GMT legacyofthesword said:

My personal know nothing speculation would be ease of training. Most people are natural strikers when you put something in their hands and they're under pressure from an opponent. Jian cut very well but a dao I imagine cuts more effectively. why not utilize a person's natural inclination to strike and give them a weapon more effective for it?

legacyofthesword
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Edge weapons in 2 eras of warfare Nov 14, 2019 20:36:24 GMT via mobile

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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 14, 2019 20:36:24 GMT

Nov 14, 2019 20:02:31 GMT themuffinslayer said:

Nov 14, 2019 17:10:12 GMT legacyofthesword said:

That's a very good point, I hadn't even thought of jian being primarily thrusting weapons vs the cutting centric dao.

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