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Post by wstalcup on Oct 22, 2019 15:44:49 GMT
Hello all! ..I know...lots of questions, but really would appreciate some suggestions from you guys!!! I have this chainmail hauberk (made out of just butted rustable links) I would like to know: 1) how to keep it from rusting? I already have a few links rusting.. WD-40 ok? or anything better? 2) At the wrists, the sleeves are really big and hang down a lot, when my arms are extending forward. Should I just remove links to make it tighter, or wear bracers, or I could build on it and make enclosed gloves with it... like this pic Im thinking that last option, might be really uncomfortable and hard to grip sword and shield??.. but I am trying to go for a Templar Knight build. 3) and speaking of Templar.. I was planning on using the extra copper links (shown in the top pic next to hauberk) to fashion a Templar Cross on the hauberk.. Would I just "hang" the copper links on the existing links, or replace the existing links? Or apparently to me more accurately historical, I guess I should just get the tabard? Thanks!!!
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Post by wstalcup on Oct 22, 2019 17:34:09 GMT
Thanks for the idea! the rust oleum might be a more permanent solution than WD-40
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Post by strigoil on Oct 22, 2019 18:57:46 GMT
Ian has a good video covering the topic a bit, as for the looseness i would go with finding a way to tailor them more to yourself, mail needs to be well fitting.
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Post by pgandy on Oct 22, 2019 19:06:08 GMT
For my mail, I spray with WD-40 before storing. I store in plastic bags and just fold the open end over as to allow the bag to breathe. I also throw a few mothballs in. The WD-40 will transfer to your clothing so be prepared. In addition to my high tensile steel butted mail I have riveted darkened stainless steel that is far better, no rust, no oils and the clothes stay cleaner.
I wear bracers and let the mail flop over. My hauberk has half sleeves that extend to just below the elbows. If you find the sleeves too floppy/large it is possible to take a few rings out. If you do be careful and save them, especially if you are new at it.
It would be much easier to attach your cross to the existing rings. I think it would look better if woven into the mail. To do so you could be asking for trouble due to the strength of copper, not to mention the issues that will occur once you start to intra weave.
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Post by wstalcup on Oct 22, 2019 21:40:38 GMT
For my mail, I spray with WD-40 before storing. I store in plastic bags and just fold the open end over as to allow the bag to breathe. I also throw a few mothballs in. The WD-40 will transfer to your clothing so be prepared. In addition to my high tensile steel butted mail I have riveted darkened stainless steel that is far better, no rust, no oils and the clothes stay cleaner. I wear bracers and let the mail flop over. My hauberk has half sleeves that extend to just below the elbows. If you find the sleeves too floppy/large it is possible to take a few rings out. If you do be careful and save them, especially if you are new at it. It would be much easier to attach your cross to the existing rings. I think it would look better if woven into the mail. To do so you could be asking for trouble due to the strength of copper, not to mention the issues that will occur once you start to intra weave. Thanks both of you! also pgandy I plan on making a Templar Knight..just like yours!
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Post by pgandy on Oct 22, 2019 22:51:39 GMT
Thanks both of you! also pgandy I plan on making a Templar Knight..just like yours! You flatter me.
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Post by christain on Oct 22, 2019 22:53:54 GMT
You can take up the slack in your sleeves by just running a leather or paracord string through the bottom links and just cinch them up and tie off. As for the cross, I think the best idea would be to make the cross, then use your last links to affix it to your hauberk. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Post by wstalcup on Oct 23, 2019 15:59:04 GMT
You can take up the slack in your sleeves by just running a leather or paracord string through the bottom links and just cinch them up and tie off. As for the cross, I think the best idea would be to make the cross, then use your last links to affix it to your hauberk. Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks!!!, awesome idea to tie off the cuffs, so simple and smart!! and saves me from needing to buy bracers!!! as for the Cross, i realized I really want it to be historically accurate as possible, so i'm going for a Templar tunic!
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Post by wstalcup on Oct 23, 2019 16:11:48 GMT
Thanks both of you! also pgandy I plan on making a Templar Knight..just like yours! You flatter me. Actually, I would like pick your brain for info, if you don't mind! So i want to make a chain coif like yours and similar to this.. I have this on order.. and have extra mail and links.. I was wondering how you made yours.. i guess "sew" the links to the padding? and if you had the chance please send pics of your coif.. and wear did you get the tunic/tabard? If seen a lot online but they seem cheap.. soon you and I will be able to take back the Holy Land! LOL
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Post by strigoil on Oct 23, 2019 16:22:05 GMT
I'll link you to another video of Ian's for historical information about coifs.
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Post by wstalcup on Oct 23, 2019 16:29:18 GMT
I'll link you to another video of Ian's for historical information about coifs. Thanks will check it out.. i have been watching other videos of his and hitting the like button! good find!
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Post by pgandy on Oct 23, 2019 19:19:15 GMT
I am sure the tabard is this one. The weave is what attracted me. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SNMC7401E&name=Cotton+Templar+Tabard A word of caution; I don’t know your size. I am 5’9½” at 162 lbs and wear a size 40 coat. To keep that tabard from sliding off my shoulders I wear a padded gambeson collar similar to www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SNMC7201BR_L&name=Padded+Gambeson+Collar+%2D+Brown Although I have that one the one I wear is a tad thicker and came from somebody on ebay, since forgotten. The collar also helps with the mail extending the mantel out and away from the shoulders, giving more protection. Along the same thought lines I made the coif to extend out and away from my throat for additional protection. I recommend either padding or plate with the mail if you want good protection. I wear the hauberk directly over my light gambeson with the collar over that, then the mantel then the coif/cap. Here’s a tip that I find useful. The mail tends to catch or snag on the collar on my padded collar, and also my heavy gambeson when dressing, so I use a Velcro strap to bring the collar in and the mail easily slides over. After the mail is in place I can remove the strap for better ventilation making it cooler. The Velcro strap As for you arming cap you might want to consider one with straps or a tie because as you adjust your coif the cap tends to move with it. I made one coif with butted mail which appears in all photos here and elsewhere. The store bought is riveted ss and never has been photographed. I also made the mantel which is butted. The hauberk was store bought but I modified to fit by adding panels and changing the neck. The coif is 4/1 pattern and is not sewn to any padding. Below are the photos you requested. Coif Mantel
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Post by wstalcup on Oct 23, 2019 20:06:42 GMT
I am sure the tabard is this one. The weave is what attracted me. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SNMC7401E&name=Cotton+Templar+Tabard A word of caution; I don’t know your size. I am 5’9½” at 162 lbs and wear a size 40 coat. To keep that tabard from sliding off my shoulders I wear a padded gambeson collar similar to www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SNMC7201BR_L&name=Padded+Gambeson+Collar+%2D+Brown Although I have that one the one I wear is a tad thicker and came from somebody on ebay, since forgotten. The collar also helps with the mail extending the mantel out and away from the shoulders, giving more protection. Along the same thought lines I made the coif to extend out and away from my throat for additional protection. I recommend either padding or plate with the mail if you want good protection. I wear the hauberk directly over my light gambeson with the collar over that, then the mantel then the coif/cap. Here’s a tip that I find useful. The mail tends to catch or snag on the collar on my padded collar, and also my heavy gambeson when dressing, so I use a Velcro strap to bring the collar in and the mail easily slides over. After the mail is in place I can remove the strap for better ventilation making it cooler. The Velcro strap As for you arming cap you might want to consider one with straps or a tie because as you adjust your coif the cap tends to move with it. I made one coif with butted mail which appears in all photos here and elsewhere. The store bought is riveted ss and never has been photographed. I also made the mantel which is butted. The hauberk was store bought but I modified to fit by adding panels and changing the neck. The coif is 4/1 pattern and is not sewn to any padding. Below are the photos you requested. Coif Mantel wow!! great stuff! thanks! I'm only 5'5" but i like the price of the Tabard.. and my mother-in-law is like an expert sewer and I bet she can tailor it to the right size. thanks for showing me that coif and mantle are 2 separate pieces.. i was going to make it one piece as i had no clue they were supposed to be separate.. i will read up on more that you wrote and go from there.
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Post by pgandy on Oct 23, 2019 21:56:34 GMT
wow!! great stuff! thanks! I'm only 5'5" but i like the price of the Tabard.. and my mother-in-law is like an expert sewer and I bet she can tailor it to the right size. thanks for showing me that coif and mantle are 2 separate pieces.. i was going to make it one piece as i had no clue they were supposed to be separate.. i will read up on more that you wrote and go from there. I don’t know if “supposed to be separate” would be entirely correct, but not wrong. I made them that way as I believed that would be more versatile. Not only that, but the mantel covers more area than either of the two coifs alone.
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Post by strigoil on Oct 23, 2019 22:01:56 GMT
Historically they are not supposed to be seperate, historically it might even be part of the hauberk like a hoodie, but you would see seperate hauberk and coif during the 8th and 9th crusade..Maaybe the 7th as well.
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Post by christain on Oct 23, 2019 23:02:34 GMT
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Post by pgandy on Oct 24, 2019 0:31:20 GMT
Historically they are not supposed to be seperate, historically it might even be part of the hauberk like a hoodie, but you would see seperate hauberk and coif during the 8th and 9th crusade..Maaybe the 7th as well. In my case I wasn’t too worried about being historically correct. If I don’t care to wear my hauberk for whatever reason I can wear the mantel over a light gambeson or with the gambeson and with or without what amounts to a kidney built on those days the back is sounding off. The belt offers good protection around the middle being up to 9” wide and when in place up to about ¾” thick. The mantel and coif goes well with my brigandine. And then there are times I wear the hauberk w/o the mantel. As I said it's versatile. With brigandine W/light gambeson and leather belt
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Post by strigoil on Oct 24, 2019 1:23:14 GMT
Historically they are not supposed to be seperate, historically it might even be part of the hauberk like a hoodie, but you would see seperate hauberk and coif during the 8th and 9th crusade..Maaybe the 7th as well. In my case I wasn’t too worried about being historically correct. If I don’t care to wear my hauberk for whatever reason I can wear the mantel over a light gambeson or with the gambeson and with or without what amounts to a kidney built on those days the back is sounding off. The belt offers good protection around the middle being up to 9” wide and when in place up to about ¾” thick. The mantel and coif goes well with my brigandine. And then there are times I wear the hauberk w/o the mantel. As I said it's versatile. With brigandine W/light gambeson and leather belt
Don't get me wrong I appreciate how your kits come together, historically correct or not they are well thought out and it shows, I was just giving some commentary since wstalcup voiced wanting it historically correct where he can.
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Post by wstalcup on Oct 24, 2019 13:33:46 GMT
Just another note on my suggestion of using leather lacing or paracord---You can do the same thing with a coif that is a bit too large, so you can get that classic 'cinched-up' look. cool! that chainmail looks great.. and if im not mistaken..it looked riveted as well!
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Post by wstalcup on Oct 24, 2019 14:07:37 GMT
Historically they are not supposed to be seperate, historically it might even be part of the hauberk like a hoodie, but you would see seperate hauberk and coif during the 8th and 9th crusade..Maaybe the 7th as well. In my case I wasn’t too worried about being historically correct. If I don’t care to wear my hauberk for whatever reason I can wear the mantel over a light gambeson or with the gambeson and with or without what amounts to a kidney built on those days the back is sounding off. The belt offers good protection around the middle being up to 9” wide and when in place up to about ¾” thick. The mantel and coif goes well with my brigandine. And then there are times I wear the hauberk w/o the mantel. As I said it's versatile. With brigandine W/light gambeson and leather belt great stuff! I'd never want to battle agaisn't you!
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