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Post by kk on Sept 26, 2019 15:11:56 GMT
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Sept 26, 2019 21:09:03 GMT
That's impressive!
When looking down the blade after the stab and bend test, I thought I saw some flat spots in your edge.
Did the bamboo do a little edge rolling? It wouldn't be surprising, considering how nasty bamboo is to edges.
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Post by kk on Sept 26, 2019 21:34:31 GMT
The while spot we see is the bamboo sap/juice, which is very sticky, nasty and after the test we have to clean the blade throughly.
The reason we conduct the paper slicing test which is a sharpness test right after the bamboo cut, is to share with our viewers that the sword maintain the sharp edge.
Otherwise, the paper slicing test would not be successful.
We try very hard to bring 2,300 year old treasures back to life.
May be it is nothing in todays swords world. Back than 2,300 years ago, these are the first steel swords in wide use and was consider super weapon of the time.
You should have seen the big brother of Chu Jian, the Roaring Dragon.
Thank you for your interest and support and encouragement, we really appreciate it.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 27, 2019 3:11:44 GMT
I'll take two.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Sept 27, 2019 15:56:18 GMT
Yes, I am not criticizing your sword, its magnificent.
That type of blade going thru bamboo like that...is awesome indeed.
And the flex test made me cringe, I've seen lots of tips break that way, but yours was fine, which is a testament go the heat treatment.
Are you planning to go into production with these?
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Post by kk on Sept 27, 2019 16:33:20 GMT
This sword is already in production and we have shipped a lot to our customer in China, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom. You can visit our website and take a look of the Magnificent and the Big Brother Roaring Dragon. Thank you so much for your interest and appreciate your keen observation. lkchensword.com/ |
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Post by kk on Sept 27, 2019 16:38:25 GMT
And of course Germany, the picture in our Front Page is a picture the new proud German owner of Magnificent and the Striking Eagle
who take the picture of his beloved sword in front of the German National Flag.
We are so honored and moved.
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Post by kk on Sept 27, 2019 16:49:52 GMT
You might be interested to see how we make our scabbard. It is hand painted with true lacquer, very beautiful and sought after in China. This kind of hand painting is only reserved for swords of the highest caliber in China. We have to do it because this is the only way we honor the craftsman 2000 years ago
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 3, 2019 23:01:12 GMT
Were steel jian of this time period usually made with two fullers/octagonal blade cross sections? I read somewhere that steel swords were usually made with a diamond cross section, while the earlier bronze swords usually had octagonal cross section. EDIT: Nevermind, looked around on the website, and found this: lkchensword.com/chu-jian-1 |
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Post by kk on Nov 4, 2019 0:41:29 GMT
Thank you for your great question. Please visit lkchensword.com/magnificent-chu-jianAnd view the 2nd video titled: 2000 year old Jian with elegant blade profile -- Just a warning that the coffin of the owner is in view so if you are sensitive to it we apologized. And please review the following slide show: Uncle Hing skillfully resurrect 2,300 year old Chu Jian. Which we have photos of STEEL Chu Jian side by side with Uncle Hing's Magnificent Chu Jian at similar angle and similar section of the blade. The Kingdom of Chu (contemporary with the Greek culture in the west) is the first great warring state to advanced into the Iron Age. Almost all the farming instruments and the weapons unearthed were made of Iron and Steel. While most of the opponent states at the same time, such as the Qin state, was still in the Bronze Age. As you point out, all bronze weapons have octagonal profiles that maximized the rigidity of a bronze blade. Smiths in the Kingdom of Chu, expert Bronze smiths themselves, adopt the try and true octagonal blade profile that have been battle tested for over 500 years. They are not so sure about the Novel material that they are dealing with "Steel" so while life of the warrior, and fate of the Kingdom at stake, they opt for the same octagonal profile, while lengthen the blade and narrow the blade a bit. So instead of 56 cm long, 5 cm wide typical of a bronze sword. Chu Steel swords were like 80 cm long and 3.5 cm - 4 cm wide. Chu Jian is such a challenge to it rivals and so well known within the warring state, it was even recorded in official court records in the Qin state. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_(state)During the reign of King ZhaoXiang en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Zhaoxiang_of_QinOne morning in 250 BC, the Qin court historian record the following conversation between the than 73 year old King and his Prime minister. You can find the exact paragraph in Page 147 the book, "Records of the Grand Historian - Qin Dynasty" A renditions - Columbia University Press Book So this is what the arch rival of Kingdom of Chu have to say about the Chu Jian as recorded in official history One day when King Zhaoxiang was holding court, he heaved a sigh. The Marquis of Ying (prime minister) stepped forward and said, "I have heard that if the ruler has worries, the minister should work to relieve them, and if the ruler suffers disgrace, the minister should die. Now Your Majesty appears at court in this state of worry -- may I ask to receive the punishment that is my due ?" King Zhaoxiang said, "I hear that the iron swords of Chu are sharp and its entertainers are clumsy. (Qin people still living in bronze age cannot distinguish between iron and steel so they refer the Chu Jian as "iron swords" because that much they know, just like me saying IBM have this quantum chip or something ) If its iron swords are sharp, then its fighting men will be valorous and if its entertainers are clumsy, then the ruler will turn his thoughts on distant campaigns. And if the ruler begins to think of distant campaigns and has valorous men at his command, I fear that Chu many be designs on Qin ! " So when one got their hands on a Chu Jian. This is what King Zhaoxing talked about that 2,250 years ago. By the way, why double hand swords, aren't those valorous men that King Zhaoxing talked about crazy enough to go to battle without carrying a shield  It is because, in the State of Chu, they got the Rhinos Hide Armor, that got cure and prepare over a period of 3 years so tough that can withstood rains of arrows. Please see the Hymn of the Fallen, a hymn about these valorous Chu warriors and in this ancient Hymn, both the Rhino armor and the Chu Long Sword were mentioned. lkchensword.com/braveheart-of-chuWe cannot offer Rhino armors, but at least one can get a Roaring Dragon or a Striking Eagle. I hope I somewhat answer your question. Hope in a way I answer your great question. |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 4, 2019 2:26:44 GMT
Thank you for your great question. Please visit lkchensword.com/magnificent-chu-jianAnd view the 2nd video titled: 2000 year old Jian with elegant blade profile -- Just a warning that the coffin of the owner is in view so if you are sensitive to it we apologized. And please review the following slide show: Uncle Hing skillfully resurrect 2,300 year old Chu Jian. Which we have photos of STEEL Chu Jian side by side with Uncle Hing's Magnificent Chu Jian at similar angle and similar section of the blade. The Kingdom of Chu (contemporary with the Greek culture in the west) is the first great warring state to advanced into the Iron Age. Almost all the farming instruments and the weapons unearthed were made of Iron and Steel. While most of the opponent states at the same time, such as the Qin state, was still in the Bronze Age. As you point out, all bronze weapons have octagonal profiles that maximized the rigidity of a bronze blade. Smiths in the Kingdom of Chu, expert Bronze smiths themselves, adopt the try and true octagonal blade profile that have been battle tested for over 500 years. They are not so sure about the Novel material that they are dealing with "Steel" so while life of the warrior, and fate of the Kingdom at stake, they opt for the same octagonal profile, while lengthen the blade and narrow the blade a bit. So instead of 56 cm long, 5 cm wide typical of a bronze sword. Chu Steel swords were like 80 cm long and 3.5 cm - 4 cm wide. Chu Jian is such a challenge to it rivals and so well known within the warring state, it was even recorded in official court records in the Qin state. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_(state)During the reign of King ZhaoXiang en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Zhaoxiang_of_QinOne morning in 250 BC, the Qin court historian record the following conversation between the than 73 year old King and his Prime minister. You can find the exact paragraph in Page 147 the book, "Records of the Grand Historian - Qin Dynasty" A renditions - Columbia University Press Book So this is what the arch rival of Kingdom of Chu have to say about the Chu Jian as recorded in official history One day when King Zhaoxiang was holding court, he heaved a sigh. The Marquis of Ying (prime minister) stepped forward and said, "I have heard that if the ruler has worries, the minister should work to relieve them, and if the ruler suffers disgrace, the minister should die. Now Your Majesty appears at court in this state of worry -- may I ask to receive the punishment that is my due ?" King Zhaoxiang said, "I hear that the iron swords of Chu are sharp and its entertainers are clumsy. (Qin people still living in bronze age cannot distinguish between iron and steel so they refer the Chu Jian as "iron swords" because that much they know, just like me saying IBM have this quantum chip or something ) If its iron swords are sharp, then its fighting men will be valorous and if its entertainers are clumsy, then the ruler will turn his thoughts on distant campaigns. And if the ruler begins to think of distant campaigns and has valorous men at his command, I fear that Chu many be designs on Qin ! " So when one got their hands on a Chu Jian. This is what King Zhaoxing talked about that 2,250 years ago. By the way, why double hand swords, aren't those valorous men that King Zhaoxing talked about crazy enough to go to battle without carrying a shield It is because, in the State of Chu, they got the Rhinos Hide Armor, that got cure and prepare over a period of 3 years so tough that can withstood rains of arrows. Please see the Hymn of the Fallen, a hymn about these valorous Chu warriors and in this ancient Hymn, both the Rhino armor and the Chu Long Sword were mentioned. lkchensword.com/braveheart-of-chuWe cannot offer Rhino armors, but at least one can get a Roaring Dragon or a Striking Eagle. I hope I somewhat answer your question. Hope in a way I answer your great question. Thank you kindly! That answers my question very well. It makes sense that the protection offered by the rhino hide armor would allow the soldiers to forgo a shield and instead use a two handed weapon: we see the same development in the 15th century in Europe when armor developed to fully encase the wearer. The lack of shields in Japanese warfare could also be explained by the good coverage offered by their armor.
Beautiful poem too.
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Post by kk on Nov 4, 2019 2:43:49 GMT
Than climate change, no more Rhinos.
Everyone went back to single handed swords.
Kind of practical and adaptable when it comes to warfare and the survival of the state.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 4, 2019 2:59:49 GMT
Than climate change, no more Rhinos. Everyone went back to single handed swords. Kind of practical and adaptable when it comes to warfare and the survival of the state.
Yes, warfare and the technology of war certainly fluctuates. I do recall very large, two handed dao (miao dao) being used much later in the Ming Dynasty.
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Post by kk on Nov 4, 2019 3:22:30 GMT
Yes, Ming army try to fight against the Japanese invader who got way better swords that the local army. So the copy the Katana and make the Chung Dao (Long Dao). Since the Ming army play the "Host Country", they got more troops than the invading Japanese who have to come by boat. So General Qi JinGuang from this 10 person formation with 4 shield bearer to protect the
other members. So they fight in teams where the pole arms folks support the short weapon folks and vis versa.
Later on in the 20th century, Nationalism became important since Chinese got invaded by many countries and got the Royal Palace burn to the ground. So people try to hide the Japanese origin of the Chung Dao and rename it the Mao Dao.
In Ming dynasty time, there is no such problem, Chinese import Japanese blade the the officers weapon sometime feature the imported superior products. There are poetry that wrote about how great and shiny is the Japanese blade by scholars in Sung and Ming time as well.
When it comes to 19th century, Chinese army even import high quality German blade created by industrial methods using industrial high quality steel.
The issue is that China have so many troops that need to be equip and the power to be have to be very practical about it.
So it come as a shock to many scholars, when we read about Weapon in the Han Dynasty.
One recent discovery is a cache of Armory depot accounting records written on wood pieces.
The record stated there are 99,905 and double the amount of Dao.
If we use our White Arc blade weight of 600g each, and Aresenal Han Dao of 480g each.
How much steel it took to make these weapons ?
And that is a region provincial depot, one of 12 in the country.
According to scholars calculation, the among of weapons in the depot and arm about 500,000 troops, each one will have a bow or cross bow with several dozen arrows and each one can have a pole arm and a side arm.
Weapons give us a view of the state of technology of the time, the people, the economy and we will find it not too different than what we have today.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 3:25:03 GMT
I really like these replicas because of how simple and beautiful they are. I should get one when I have some money to spend.
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Post by wlewisiii on Nov 4, 2019 3:38:34 GMT
The more I look at your blades, the more I am reminded of the famous words of Jia Dao (that, alas, I only know in translation): "For ten years I have been polishing this sword; Its frosty edge has never been put to the test. Now I am holding it and showing it to you, sir: Is there anyone suffering from injustice?" I can see one will be a present to myself as soon as I can save up the money. But which one?!? Such a first world problem...  |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 4, 2019 3:54:30 GMT
Yes, Ming army try to fight against the Japanese invader who got way better swords that the local army. So the copy the Katana and make the Chung Dao (Long Dao). Since the Ming army play the "Host Country", they got more troops than the invading Japanese who have to come by boat. So General Qi JinGuang from this 10 person formation with 4 shield bearer to protect the other members. So they fight in teams where the pole arms folks support the short weapon folks and vis versa. Later on in the 20th century, Nationalism became important since Chinese got invaded by many countries and got the Royal Palace burn to the ground. So people try to hide the Japanese origin of the Chung Dao and rename it the Mao Dao. In Ming dynasty time, there is no such problem, Chinese import Japanese blade the the officers weapon sometime feature the imported superior products. There are poetry that wrote about how great and shiny is the Japanese blade by scholars in Sung and Ming time as well. When it comes to 19th century, Chinese army even import high quality German blade created by industrial methods using industrial high quality steel. The issue is that China have so many troops that need to be equip and the power to be have to be very practical about it. So it come as a shock to many scholars, when we read about Weapon in the Han Dynasty. One recent discovery is a cache of Armory depot accounting records written on wood pieces. The record stated there are 99,905 and double the amount of Dao. If we use our White Arc blade weight of 600g each, and Aresenal Han Dao of 480g each. How much steel it took to make these weapons ? And that is a region provincial depot, one of 12 in the country. According to scholars calculation, the among of weapons in the depot and arm about 500,000 troops, each one will have a bow or cross bow with several dozen arrows and each one can have a pole arm and a side arm. Weapons give us a view of the state of technology of the time, the people, the economy and we will find it not too different than what we have today. Very interesting, I remember reading an article/paper about Japanese swords being imported into China. They seemed to be very highly prized.
Impressive numbers on the armory records indeed.
I really like these replicas because of how simple and beautiful they are. I should get one when I have some money to spend.
I'm planning on getting two, haha. The Striking Eagle, and then either the Magnificent Chu or the Flying Phoenix.
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Post by dchisenh on Nov 5, 2019 16:51:40 GMT
I don't own any Asian swords yet, but I am impressed by this jian! Something about the blade profile really calls to me, it just looks really nicely done. The hand-painted artwork on the scabbard does look nice, but I think I'd prefer a plain black lacquered one with those bronze fittings. Especially if it would help shave a few bucks off the price. Every time I try to save up a little bit of money to buy a sword after selling off almost everything for my dog's surgery this past Spring, something else comes up and wipes it out, otherwise I would have placed an order by now! Very nice work KK and thanks for the historical information as well!  |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 16, 2019 22:33:02 GMT
Placed an order for the Striking Eagle and the Magnificent Chu Jian just now. I'm quite excited. I'll write a review once they get here.
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