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Post by howler on Sept 18, 2019 2:24:07 GMT
It was one of their better swords. I've been recently gandering at the Windlass 1840 NCO and/or the CS Colichemarde...something light & straight. 1840 looks better for cutting with maybe the Colichemarde for thrusting. That 1840 price ($120ish) is real compelling, but the CS is cool looking though only really decent (I hear) at push/pull cuts. Windlass is just a really good budget option regarding a lot of their models, just like that XIV.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 18, 2019 2:56:31 GMT
My thoughts run along the same lines. I have the Windlass Ames M1840 because I don’t like steel scabbards and love it. It is one of my favourites. I’ve been looking at the Colichemarde, but for me there is one issue in the way. KoA states that it is sharpened. Today after a month of government red tape and a $175 lawyer’s fee plus more I finally got my CS sharpened sword and am spent out money and energy wise. This is one of Thompson’s big f*ck ups and I am sure it cost him dearly. I thought they were all gone and had missed the boat but KoA found a small stash from some place. They were out before mine even got in country. The British Proof Test is dated 23 Feb 2012. I asked KoA the price to dull the sword which was only $7.50 but from their reply I wouldn’t want it after they finished dulling it. I suppose that’s the difference between an hourly worker that knows how to turn on a belt sander and craftsman like Uhlan who dulled a CS Backsword so that it would clear customs without deforming the blade. Generally speaking Windlass makes the best swords for me as they are unsharpened, reasonably priced, hold up and handle reasonably well. I’ll admit that sometimes it’s a hit or miss with them but I’ve been lucky. My other options are Universal. Since they are starting to use 1055 steel they are looking more tempting but I don’t believe they handle as well but are finished far better than Windlass. There is also Weapon Edge. The only experience that I’ve had with them was extremely good with their now discontinued cutlass, a great sword.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 18, 2019 3:11:21 GMT
Wtf, it's not even hard to dull a sword. I do it on accident all the time.
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Post by howler on Sept 18, 2019 5:43:08 GMT
My thoughts run along the same lines. I have the Windlass Ames M1840 because I don’t like steel scabbards and love it. It is one of my favourites. I’ve been looking at the Colichemarde, but for me there is one issue in the way. KoA states that it is sharpened. Today after a month of government red tape and a $175 lawyer’s fee plus more I finally got my CS sharpened sword and am spent out money and energy wise. This is one of Thompson’s big f*ck ups and I am sure it cost him dearly. I thought they were all gone and had missed the boat but KoA found a small stash from some place. They were out before mine even got in country. The British Proof Test is dated 23 Feb 2012. I asked KoA the price to dull the sword which was only $7.50 but from their reply I wouldn’t want it after they finished dulling it. I suppose that’s the difference between an hourly worker that knows how to turn on a belt sander and craftsman like Uhlan who dulled a CS Backsword so that it would clear customs without deforming the blade. Generally speaking Windlass makes the best swords for me as they are unsharpened, reasonably priced, hold up and handle reasonably well. I’ll admit that sometimes it’s a hit or miss with them but I’ve been lucky. My other options are Universal. Since they are starting to use 1055 steel they are looking more tempting but I don’t believe they handle as well but are finished far better than Windlass. There is also Weapon Edge. The only experience that I’ve had with them was extremely good with their now discontinued cutlass, a great sword. Yikes, you go through a lot for the pleasure of the steel. What was the sword that showed up today anyway?
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Post by pgandy on Sept 18, 2019 12:42:55 GMT
Yikes, you go through a lot for the pleasure of the steel. What was the sword that showed up today anyway? A CS USMC NCO sword from the original run before Thompson got caught and made changes to make it legal. I got it solely for the memories it brings back and the emotions that it brings back run deep. It’s a pretty thing but I have swords better suited for combat, but then it wasn’t modelled after a combat sword nor did I buy it with that in mind.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 18, 2019 17:23:47 GMT
Wtf, it's not even hard to dull a sword. I do it on accident all the time. Tell me something that I don’t know. I was floored at KoA’s response stating that there would be a step in the blade. I can’t remember now verbatim but was told upon resharpening if that was my intent would present additional issues and a return would not be possible. I interpreted that to mean their man didn’t know WTF he was doing and I wasn’t about to give him OJT at my expense, especially on a non-replaceable sword. All he had to do was to drag the edge including the non-sharpened area to avoid a step in the edge across the belt a few times preferably across the roller to avoid belt sag, wouldn’t ever need to turn the machine on. Prior to that I had decided to give KoA a try at dulling an edge as there are sever sharpies out there that attract me and now that I am aware that I can import a unsharpened sword by declaring it “an unsharpened copy of...” without all the government red tape. But after that response that idea is out of the question.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 18, 2019 17:38:14 GMT
Wtf, it's not even hard to dull a sword. I do it on accident all the time. Tell me something that I don’t know. I was floored at KoA’s response stating that there would be a step in the blade. I can’t remember now verbatim but was told upon resharpening if that was my intent would present additional issues and a return would not be possible. I interpreted that to mean their man didn’t know WTF he was doing and I wasn’t about to give him OJT at my expense, especially on a non-replaceable sword. All he had to do was to drag the edge including the non-sharpened area to avoid a stepped in the edge across the belt a few times preferably across the roller to avoid belt sag, wouldn’t ever need to turn the machine on. Prior to that I had decided to give KoA a try at dulling an edge as there are sever sharpies out there that attract me and now that I am aware that I can import a unsharpened sword by declaring it “an unsharpened copy of...” without all the government red tape. But after that response that idea is out of the question. If you ever want to try again, I'd be happy to render my own services. I've had to grind and file out enough nicks in my own fencing swords and machetes that I've gotten pretty decent at it. Plus getting to handle swords I wouldn't otherwise handle is always fun, heh heh.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 18, 2019 18:13:18 GMT
If you ever want to try again, I'd be happy to render my own services. I've had to grind and file out enough nicks in my own fencing swords and machetes that I've gotten pretty decent at it. Plus getting to handle swords I wouldn't otherwise handle is always fun, heh heh. That is indeed an idea. I could buy from KoA and have the sword shipped to you, you run a sanding block with coarse paper along the edge enough to say that the sword is unsharpened, then ship to me. You of course will need to add paper work to satisfy customs. I may very well take you up on that. It may have to what until next year as the budget is pretty well used up this year but the idea intrigues me. Thanks. As for this USMC sword dulling it would have been a snap. I would have to classify it as sharp but in reality it will barely cut paper. I can get an unclean push cut while nothing with a pull.
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Post by howler on Sept 18, 2019 19:48:31 GMT
Yikes, you go through a lot for the pleasure of the steel. What was the sword that showed up today anyway? A CS USMC NCO sword from the original run before Thompson got caught and made changes to make it legal. I got it solely for the memories it brings back and the emotions that it brings back run deep. It’s a pretty thing but I have swords better suited for combat, but then it wasn’t modelled after a combat sword nor did I buy it with that in mind. I have that sword and it is a great size & weight...super fast but robust, I think the best of the CS military presentation swords. Some of the proof videos show it cutting through a hanging turkey carcass in a single blow. You haven't had it long, I realize, but do you think it better than your 1840 NCO (I might buy just for the low price)? I REALLY am ogling the Colichemarde, as it seems such an ideal thruster with the finger rings and whatnot.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 18, 2019 21:07:28 GMT
I saw those videos earlier today and I was impressed and possibly underestimated the sword. I was very tired, exhausted would be a better word, yesterday and only looked at the sword briefly. That is usually much the case after playing the governments silly games for about a month, sometimes it’s a little more. My freight forwarder, lawyer, and a few more also like to get in on the act. I haven’t really had time to know the sword. Yes it’s light and fast. I had no near plans to cut with it but after the videos my curiosity is up. As for the M1840 being better or not, I don’t know at this point. Give me a little time to get to know the USMC sword. I’m hoping to make the missing washer this weekend and might even touch up the edge.
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Post by howler on Sept 18, 2019 21:23:28 GMT
I saw those videos earlier today and I was impressed and possibly underestimated the sword. I was very tired, exhausted would be a better word, yesterday and only looked at the sword briefly. That is usually much the case after playing the governments silly games for about a month, sometimes it’s a little more. My freight forwarder, lawyer, and a few more also like to get in on the act. I haven’t really had time to know the sword. Yes it’s light and fast. I had no near plans to cut with it but after the videos my curiosity is up. As for the M1840 being better or not, I don’t know at this point. Give me a little time to get to know the USMC sword. I’m hoping to make the missing washer this weekend and might even touch up the edge. WAY better to underestimate a recent purchase, particularly one that has given you fits in order to even get into your dirty paws...so I hope a pleasant surprise at the end of a rocky road. It's dimensions are narrower but maybe thicker than infantry sabers like the Windlass 1850, perhaps better at the thrust (I don't know)? It will be interesting to see what you think about it when you put it through the "Gandy Gauntlet".
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 18, 2019 21:31:42 GMT
I have it too and also really like it. I sharpened the blunt forte and the false edge, sanded the black etching and rewrapped the grip. My CS Naval Officers Sword is lighter and faster but the NCO Saber is still nimble but has more power. A comparison with the 1840 would be nice, I'm tempted to buy it as a big brother of the Naval Sword.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 19, 2019 0:18:24 GMT
I have it too and also really like it. I sharpened the blunt forte and the false edge, sanded the black etching and rewrapped the grip. My CS Naval Officers Sword is lighter and faster but the NCO Saber is still nimble but has more power. A comparison with the 1840 would be nice, I'm tempted to buy it as a big brother of the Naval Sword. What you have done sounds like what I’d inclined to do if I had Thompson’s corrected model. There is no way that I’d remove the etching on this. That was the principal reason for the purchase. It might be interesting to compare the USMC with the M1840 and do a report.
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Post by Scott on Sept 19, 2019 0:58:30 GMT
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