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Post by wstalcup on Sept 6, 2019 14:44:39 GMT
Hi! I've been unable to find any volunteers that would let me take a few swings at their limbs so Skall's video on using wooden dowels and newspaper seems to be a great alternative! for the wooden dowels: on amazon there are some really inexpensive wood dowels at these sizes: 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 inch diameter and lengths range from 1 foot to 3 feet. What would be the best diameter and length to get? For the newspaper: I don't seem to get enough junk mail flyers in the mail, but amazon has these newsprint packing paper sheets www.amazon.com/Newsprint-Packing-Paper-Sheets-Unprinted/dp/B07CQ3ZKW3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1MDD0CA39901S&keywords=newspaper+print+paper&qid=1567780457&s=gateway&sprefix=newspaper%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-3you think this paper would work? I'm thinking that after soaking they will just fall apart in to mush before even being able to cut them? maybe i can wrap duct tape around it, which could had the added effect of simulating clothing? Thanks for any assistance you can provide! Oh! and how close would this really simulate cutting limbs? (No, not going on a murder spree.. just really want to see how good my swords really are) oh! sorry.. last question.. would you (or have you) tried this with an expensive sword like an Albion? I really would like to try out my Albion Knight but certainly do not want to damage it! Thanks again!
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Sept 6, 2019 15:23:03 GMT
I use PPR pipe as bone substitution, as suggested by Peter Johnsson. Wet newspapers roll will do well as muscles substitution.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 6, 2019 16:13:34 GMT
I would just buy some newspapers at the local grocery store.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 6, 2019 16:51:17 GMT
I use PPR pipe as bone substitution, as suggested by Peter Johnsson. Wet newspapers roll will do well as muscles substitution. Interesting.. Thanks! can't really find a website that sells PPR though.. what size would you recommend if I can find some? and in your opinion is PPR much better than the wooden dowels?
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 6, 2019 16:51:58 GMT
I would just buy some newspapers at the local grocery store. true.. i will check into the cost effectiveness of that!
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Post by pgandy on Sept 7, 2019 1:19:15 GMT
I was going to say check out some of Lancelot Chan’s posts on the subject but he has already chimed in.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Sept 7, 2019 6:29:09 GMT
I use PPR pipe as bone substitution, as suggested by Peter Johnsson. Wet newspapers roll will do well as muscles substitution. Interesting.. Thanks! can't really find a website that sells PPR though.. what size would you recommend if I can find some? and in your opinion is PPR much better than the wooden dowels? Yes, better than wooden dowel since hollow like real bone. I use 4.2cm diameter and 2.5mm wall thickness one to simulate upper arm / shin.
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Post by demonskull on Sept 7, 2019 11:56:20 GMT
The newsprint is the same as newspaper so get whatever is cheaper. In many cases stores only return the cover page for credit on unsold newspapers. Just ask your local shop if they'll let you take the unused pages as if they only return the covers , they just throw out the rest.
Tell them you want if for packing material to ship boxes out and you might get lucky without revealing you have swords.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 7, 2019 14:50:49 GMT
awesome thank you everyone!
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Post by pgandy on Sept 7, 2019 16:22:28 GMT
Once you are satisfied with your fabricated simulator you might want to try it with various types of clothing.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 7, 2019 16:37:38 GMT
Once you are satisfied with your fabricated simulator you might want to try it with various types of clothing. very true! Thanks! but also no really answered my question about using an expensive sword like an Albion.. sure, there will always be a chance of scuffing or minor blemishing.. but what's the chance of striking with an expensive sword and doing some irreparable damage to the sword?
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Post by pgandy on Sept 7, 2019 18:40:26 GMT
That is a reason that I stay away from expensive swords, antiques, or truly artistic pieces. While not knocking them but to me they are expensive wall hangers and with my budget I prefer lower price budget swords that I can take down and handle, cut with, or whatever. Not that I have no respect for them, I husband them, but when a cutting scratch, a spot of rust (most likely in my country) appears I don’t have a heart attack.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 7, 2019 19:04:40 GMT
That is a reason that I stay away from expensive swords, antiques, or truly artistic pieces. While not knocking them but to me they are expensive wall hangers and with my budget I prefer lower price budget swords that I can take down and handle, cut with, or whatever. Not that I have no respect for them, I husband them, but when a cutting scratch, a spot of rust (most likely in my country) appears I don’t have a heart attack. very true! sort of regret getting the Albion Knight for the reasons you described.. and they don't even come with a scabbard!
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Post by Jordan Williams on Sept 7, 2019 20:25:25 GMT
That is a reason that I stay away from expensive swords, antiques, or truly artistic pieces. While not knocking them but to me they are expensive wall hangers and with my budget I prefer lower price budget swords that I can take down and handle, cut with, or whatever. Not that I have no respect for them, I husband them, but when a cutting scratch, a spot of rust (most likely in my country) appears I don’t have a heart attack. very true! sort of regret getting the Albion Knight for the reasons you described.. and they don't even come with a scabbard! Attachment is the impediment to progress. I use my antiques for cutting a lot, and used to cut newspaper roll targets quite a lot with them. An Albion definitely will not take any damage at all, maybe a scratch but I mean anything will, just superficial.
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Post by bebut on Sept 7, 2019 20:26:57 GMT
If I can shake the lazies I need to make a hanging log. It would be nothing exotic, just a piece of 2 x 4 or long scrap of firewood hanging from a rope. Swinging at the air or dispatching water bottles is good exercise and builds muscle memory, but real world combat involves hitting things that usually don't usually give way 100%. It would be the edged weapon equivalent of a punching bag and not at all expensive or complicated to make.
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Post by pgandy on Sept 7, 2019 21:24:46 GMT
Attachment is the impediment to progress. I use my antiques for cutting a lot, and used to cut newspaper roll targets quite a lot with them. An Albion definitely will not take any damage at all, maybe a scratch but I mean anything will, just superficial. I’ll put a few words around my circumstances. As for wet newspaper only cutting I doubt if that would damage the sword. When I arrived about 20 years ago a paper I think equalled about .40 USD and was remarkably thick and even stapled together. Now a paper is .70 USD and only a few sheets thick and my dog takes every one I get. Sometimes I have to buy extra because of him. So my targets are plastic bottles, card stock juice containers, and aluminium cans as I find these as well as accumulate them from my daily use. I don’t know for how much longer I’ll be able to get the plastic bottles as my country is on an anti-plastic campaign. My plastic trash bags are now biodegradable making them less practical for storage. I can import unsharpened swords without a lot of government red tape and interference declaring them as “unsharpened copies of....” although expensive. A sword as such is more difficult. Customs has had a sword of mine now for three weeks because it’s a CS and they come sharpened. Yesterday I spent 2¼ hours travel time to another providence delivering paper work and that is still ongoing at the moment, not to count my lawyer’s fee, plus normal fees. I probably have an additional 3+hours in travel time to my freight forwarder and lawyer to boot. This one is going to cost me. In addition to all of that crap if I had an antique it would be finished, X-out, if I imported it. Sword interest here is nil and when I check out the sword will be gone also, ending up as a piece of rusty scrap metal depriving someone who would appreciate and care for it. It’s best for me to leave an antique alone allowing it to continue and someone who will appreciate and care for it. PS I really hate to say this but sometimes I hit my cutting stand. Yes, even I do that, but not often I mind you. Hehe So far I’ve not damaged a sword, might leave a bigger, deeper scratch than normal though. Rather than placing my target directly on the stand I lay a loose board between the target and stand to absorb some of the energy.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 7, 2019 21:31:19 GMT
If I can shake the lazies I need to make a hanging log. It would be nothing exotic, just a piece of 2 x 4 or long scrap of firewood hanging from a rope. Swinging at the air or dispatching water bottles is good exercise and builds muscle memory, but real world combat involves hitting things that usually don't usually give way 100%. It would be the edged weapon equivalent of a punching bag and not at all expensive or complicated to make. ah! outstanding! what a great idea, Thanks!
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 7, 2019 21:33:20 GMT
very true! sort of regret getting the Albion Knight for the reasons you described.. and they don't even come with a scabbard! Attachment is the impediment to progress. I use my antiques for cutting a lot, and used to cut newspaper roll targets quite a lot with them. An Albion definitely will not take any damage at all, maybe a scratch but I mean anything will, just superficial. ok then! will start with my cheaper swords and see how they fair.. might make a few swings with Albion afterall. thanks1
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