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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 0:34:49 GMT
Is this a good metallurgical composition for a fight worthy sword? C: 0.65% - 0.75% Mn: 0.30% Cr: 0.60% - 1.20% Ni: 1.25% - 2.00% Mo: 0.35% Si: 0.50% It is claimed as 1060 high carbon steel. Rockwell hardness os 53.
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Post by chakobsa on Jul 27, 2008 0:54:47 GMT
What sword is it and who makes it?
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Post by hotspur on Jul 27, 2008 0:55:06 GMT
If you are talking about bouting others with blunts, re-enactment or theatre, less wear will occur if the two swords are quite similar in edge geometry and hardness. I'm not sure what other fighting context might be viable in making a decision for you.
The steel is fine for swords of most any type. In a steel number like 1060, the 60 is for at least .6 carbon content. Angus Trim uses a 5160 steel, Arms&Armor, Albion, Del Tin and others have or had used 6150. Cheness and some owners will go on and on about 9260. Again, the last two numbers being the carbon content.
It can get to be a preoccupation to overanalyse numbers and ad copy instead of putting what attracts one to a given sword, forseen use and track records into context. It's great to have a curiousity and knowledge about the numbers but i often see it being discussed for rather obscure and pretty useless reasoning.
Cheers
Hotspur; some makers will go into specifics as to why they use one over another but it is often simply a matter what they were able to get the best price on
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 1:52:27 GMT
AoV was where I got that blade steel formula from. I would actually consider using it in a real fight if I had to. <.< Not that I am going to go around picking sword fights, I just want swords that can survive them. I would not feel right using a gun on someone equiped with a bat or knife, but I would feel justified in using a sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 1:56:21 GMT
I can tell you right off two things:
1. That is not the chemical makeup of 1060.
2. You're talking about Darksword Armory weapons. I don't like them much personally, but some people here do. What I CAN tell you about their swords is they're very well tempered and strong swords with a decent enough polish on the blade, albeit you stand in good chances to get grind marks on the blade. Good flex, nice solid construction. The lines on their blades aren't that clean though, and the finishing on the ones I've seen could use some work.
I'm pretty sure Arms&Armor and Del Tin use 6150 whereas Albion uses 1075 these days.
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Post by hotspur on Jul 27, 2008 3:16:44 GMT
I believe Albion simply lists their steel as proprietary these days. That might mean they ordered their own smelt from someone. However, if one looks at the beginnings of Albion's swordmaking efforts with stuff like the Conan swords, Samson's Lady Viamus, the old kats etc., one does come across the spec of 1075. Yet if one looks at what Jody is grinding (and I can pretty well assure you he's not buying his own steel} these days, it is listed as 6150. jodysamson.com/swords.htmAs Jody moved in with Albion a good long time ago (pre Wisconsin iirc) I think the odds are pretty favorable that he uses what Albion orders. Albion used to use Gus Trim and Al Massey blades in Jody's hilts before the move to Wisconsin and they started to gear up with Jason Dingledine and Randal Graham heading up the blade department. Eric McHugh soon joined them from Ohio, as an in house scabbard maker, as he had been doing that on the side of his ministry day job. I don't know for sure how long the first batch of steel lasted but is listed for the Conan swords, as mentioned and some of the other stuff up to about 2003 or so. A&A used to use 1070 or 1075 as well. Gus had even made a few early on out of other steels but had settled into 5160 by 1999. Del Tin used Krupp c55 up into the mid 1990s. Cheers Hotspur; not that I've been paying strict attention but these are that things sometimes come to mind
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 9:37:13 GMT
When I first found out about albion it was in their first generation line (I liked the Celtic LaTene Type II) and they were 5160. I remember sometime after that they made the switch to 1075 due to some reasons involving their steel supplier.
It wasn't too long after that, that I learned that asking questions about makers in particular is a much better method of choosing swords for purchase than merely going off of steel specs so I stopped paying attention myself.
I didn't start really getting into swords until about 2001 or so, and didn't REALLY start paying attention till around 2003 - so my information of anything prior to that is pretty nil. Forgive any misconceptions I had.
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Post by hotspur on Jul 27, 2008 11:01:54 GMT
Bingo, that is because the blades were from Gus Trim and Albion and Gus Trim parted ways. It was the blade supplier and not the steel supplier, per se.
My ATrim XIIIa was bought through Albion.
Cheers
Hotspur; A lot of this lore is still scattered around on other fora
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jul 27, 2008 12:52:25 GMT
/index.cgi?board=swordmaking&action=display&thread=4523&page=1
Courtesy of Matt993fod. May be of value to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2008 0:37:27 GMT
/index.cgi?board=swordmaking&action=display&thread=4523&page=1 Courtesy of Matt993fod. May be of value to you. Thanks Brenno. How did I ver miss that? v_v +1 for linking that.
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