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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 23:51:02 GMT
Does anyone know the weight on the Generation 2 Maximillian sword? I can't find it listed in the specs anywhere.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jul 26, 2008 0:13:49 GMT
I can't tell you exactly, but when I handled one it seemed to be about 2lbs 12 ozs. That's a rough guesstimate. It's definitely MUCH lighter than the 12th Century/Crusader sword, and a lot quicker in hand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 0:17:25 GMT
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Post by ShooterMike on Jul 26, 2008 0:22:28 GMT
That's the same sword, but there's no WAY it weighs that much. At least not the one I handled last year at Wild Wolf Forge. Maybe KOA is off by a lb and it's really 2 lbs 8 ozs? Or maybe the one I handled was much older and the newer ones are more heavily built? ...Or maybe I'm starting to get a bit senile. That's a distinct possibility.
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Post by hotspur on Jul 26, 2008 0:28:12 GMT
Hi Syntale, Paul Southren reviews it here www.sword-buyers-guide.com/cool-swords.htmland lists the weight at 3lbs 3oz Kult of Athena (a retailer) lists it at 3lbs 8oz and inchecking the Generation2 home base of Imperial weapons, Clyde doesn't list a weight at all. That may be due to a good deal of variance of these, or a state of flux that makes it untimely for him to list a weight of new batches. Having not handled one, I can't say how well the weight/mass is distributed. Of several swords I have in that weight range, the one with the shortest grip feels the most blade heavy, even considering flourishing the ones with the longer hilts and blades with one hand. It can also be tough to judge strictly by numbers as well. One example I use when displaying to the public is wait for someone to exclaim "wow, that's heavy" and then have them handle another of very much the same weight but with different mass distribution and handling dynamics/characteristics. To say it more simply, sometimes it's just hard to say without handling one yourself. What might float like a butterfly for some may well feel more like a Thanksgiving turkey to others. There may be some other G2 retailers that list weight and that might be a good guide on judging a range of what to expect. Clyde Hollis might chime in, as he frequents the board and oversees G2. Albeit a bit of a gorilla and liking hefty swords I have, I am also really learning to appreciate how light single hand swords later on were (and sometimes even then in the 15th century). Windlass used to make a similar sword labeled the Guganite (iirc) and it was pretty much panned as ill fitted and a bit hoky by the boards at the time (almost a decade ago). I think Deepeka or one of the other Phillipines forges makes one with white bone or plastic. it is a generally attractive design and I have read of others considering it. Cheers Hotspur; I think the Windlass was on my list, back in the day but I went for something a little plainer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 0:35:46 GMT
Syntala, you might want to ask other retailers, like Jason at Arms of Valor, how much the swords THEY stock weigh, in case there are different versions floating around.
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Post by hotspur on Jul 26, 2008 0:36:40 GMT
That's the same sword, but there's no WAY it weighs that much. At least not the one I handled last year at Wild Wolf Forge. Maybe KOA is off by a lb and it's really 2 lbs 8 ozs? Or maybe the one I handled was much older and the newer ones are more heavily built? ...Or maybe I'm starting to get a bit senile. That's a distinct possibility. Its all part of the aging process Mike. It was all over for me a long time ago, so I take notes and poke around a bit. Your observation of the weight and Paul's review may well explain the lack of a listed weight on Clyde's site. It also remidns me of some of the Del Tin models in form. no grip spacer on those. the one that eally rings that bell has a wire wrap, a nice pommel and the downturned quillions. More of a XV or XVIII blade shape though. The G2 Max is one of the older models and (I think) kind of suffers the anachronistic blade form(s) so many back then did. Cheers Hotspur; do you dye the grey in your beard yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 1:36:51 GMT
Thanks guys. I'm only 5' and can't handle thoseThanksgiving turkeys very well. That's one reason I opted for the DS Squire, although someone said it gained a little weight during shipping. I was hoping the G2 Max weighed in under 3 lbs, but oh well. I'll keep checking around. I saw Paul's review. In fact I think that was the first review I watched.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 2:11:27 GMT
First just want to let you know that I'm not trying to be a salesman here. I just want to make sure you don't get a sword that is not right for you. I have pretty much handled nearly every sword made by (Windlass, Paul Chen, Gen 2, Darksword, etc.) so know the weight and balance of each of them as well as strengths and weaknesses. The DS Squire is very heavy/tip heavy. It is one I would stay away from. If you are looking at DS you may want to think about the Medieval, which is their best balanced single hand sword. The Maximillian is fairly well balanced. I don't have one on hand to weigh it, but will talk with Clyde to see if I can get an answer for you. If you want something light and quick there are some other options out there. You may want to look into the Windlass Arming Sword - Oakeshott Type XIV www.armsofvalour.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOVL&Product_Code=881010&Category_Code=3SThe Gen 2 Henry also handles very well www.armsofvalour.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOVL&Product_Code=IP-703-2&Category_Code=ICIBIf you have any other swords that appeal to you aesthetically let me know and I will give you my assessment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 3:54:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 3:57:19 GMT
I appreciate your input Trueswordsman. I have been looking seriously at the Gen 2 Henry and the Maximillian. Both are very appealing. I've already ordered the Squire. It's on its way. I hope I'm not disappointed. There is another I asked about earlier, but never got any feedback on...the Windlass Irish Short Sword. I'm still considering it.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jul 26, 2008 4:03:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 6:05:51 GMT
I saw the Irish Short Sword in Swords of Honor, I think. I'll try to find it again in the morning and link to it. And I'll follow your link to ImperialWeapons for the Max. I'm being called away for the night. Thanks a bunch for all the help. You are all so wonderful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 14:50:49 GMT
Okay, yesterday was a bad day for me. We're remodeling our bathroom and plugged along through a couple of sleepless nights, so I'm going to blame my lack of concentration on that fact. I've been asking about the Windlass Irish Short Sword. I don't think there is such a thing. It's the Italian Short Sword. I knew that, and have no idea why I kept typing it wrong. It's no wonder you couldn't find it. Sorry about that. Anyway, here's the link to the Windlass ITALIAN Short Sword I'm looking at. www.swordsofhonor.com/mrl501056.html Trueswordsman, I checked out that Oakeshott Arming Sword and it looks like an easy one to handle. I like that wide forte and the way the blade tapers. I'm guessing it would put total control in the palm of the hand, making for a light, easy swing. It looks like it would be a good sword for short, small-boned women. I'll probably have to have that one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 15:04:31 GMT
I have not handled the Italian Sword, and we have not offered that one so I can't give any in puts. We only carry a limited number of Windlass so that we are able to keep the in stock. Here is a review Brian did of the Windlass Arming Sword www.swordsofvalor.com/armingsword.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 15:22:18 GMT
That's the review I saw last night. The sword has no fancy qualities, but makes a statement standing on its tip. I call it the broad-shouldered look. I like that. It will, do doubt, be in my next order.
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Post by hotspur on Jul 26, 2008 19:33:44 GMT
Yes, that would be it. Once one simply embraces oldtimers disease and senility, we can count on the youngins filling in the blanks, bring us food and drinks at parties, stuff like that. The Windlass was a little rounder and wedgier. IIRC, the blade wasn't exactly hollow ground but had a medial ridge, raised spine look to it. Kind of like the William Marshal but sans fuller. Cheers Hotspur; old and in the wayAha, Reliks still has a nice shot of the Windlass Guiguy www.reliks.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=1560&step=4
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 21:30:03 GMT
One thing that may affect the wieght of a sword is if it has been sharpened or not when weighed, although I don't know how significant it would be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 21:43:05 GMT
Hotspur; old and in the wayOld, perhaps( ;D), but never in the way. The Windlass is longer and narrower than I remembered it. Certainly a bit more interesting blade than the Deepeeka version.
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Post by hotspur on Jul 26, 2008 22:55:15 GMT
Yes, The Windlass isn't exactly as I remembered it either. It is of the type XV family though, of which the sword that inspired it was. That is major reason the Deepeeka and G2 never really did it for me. Note the weight at 2lbs as well. Nathan Robinson had done a great job with his type XV feature article, as part of that site's effort to explain the Oakeshott typology. The Windlass is mentioned but briefly towards the end. www.myarmoury.com/feature_spotxv.htmlI did eventually fill my type XV niche with my A&A BP and have pretty much ever since maintained it as a sword I would have a very hard time parting with. Also to mention it as an example of even the big guys being able to screw up. The grip was perhaps ill bored, as it is a little off center but a bigger fox paw is that the cross opening is rather long and has shifted at times. I noticed it out of the box and almost sent it back. Thinking about it a little and I realized it also made it uniquely mine and I didn't notice it at all in use (which is what I had bought it for). Some six years later, a friend that has handled it quite a bit over the years noticed the same thing (that I had long ago put out of mind). The A&A sword was updated a couple of years later, with a more appropriate grip and pommel detail but I'll probably always have my bronze optioned cutey and it continues to be a favorite. I may have it apart at some point and tweek its minor flaws but it had long ago simply become one of the family. Some irony here is that I spent less on each of my three A&A swords than I had on my two Gus Trim swords. Two had come from the secondary market and the BP actually used to be priced quite cheaply, compared to U.S. big three prices now. Albion does some very sexy XV and XVa swords and if they had been in the game back then, I'd likely have bought both a single hand XV and a longer hilted XVa from them. Since then, I have kind of leaned more to liking the XVIII family for a balance of looks and cuttiing performance but still prefer my XIIIa and XIIa Gus swords for ease of use at the cutting stand. Cheers Hotspur; I have my medieval type wants pretty well covered
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