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Post by pgandy on Aug 12, 2019 14:32:11 GMT
When I was a kid, one of my favorite things to do was explore abandoned houses and buildings---usually illegally. A group that hung around with in high school, which included my closet friend, decided to visit a house one night that we all thought was vacant. It set alone in the middle of a vacant field with no vegetation near it. And I never saw any signs of life. My friend got a bullet in his ass, literally. I think one other got shot. All ended up in court, but no time served. |
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Post by pgandy on Aug 12, 2019 14:44:25 GMT
The short version of the story is that for SCA style fighting it offered little protection, more than regular mail though. Left very fun bruises. I have butted and riveted mail in the form of several garments. I am only familiar with the rudiments of SCA combat. But I can tell you mail is no protection from blunt trauma. One can get bruised rather quickly depending on it in that sense. It is great laceration protection, but not blunt trauma. If not plate, go for thick padding to avoid bruising or fractures. Plate is best but not without its own faults. The experience is great especially if making the stuff. |
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Post by thomasthesecond on Aug 12, 2019 15:21:52 GMT
It's also about as heavy now as a butted ring vest that my friend owns, which worries me a little. It may end up being closer to fourty pounds when I'm done with it. The scales are about a sixteenth of an inch thick, or about 2mm if my memory of the "proper" measurement system is still in tact, which is likely why. That about confirms my smile when I read "Honestly though, I wanted to just purchase mail, I still might to use under the scale." That stuff gets heavy fast. Weight isn't too much of an issue as long as I keep it around sixty five pounds, that's what I'm used to. My stand, however, will creek and scream in agony. |
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Post by thomasthesecond on Aug 12, 2019 15:23:32 GMT
The short version of the story is that for SCA style fighting it offered little protection, more than regular mail though. Left very fun bruises. I have butted and riveted mail in the form of several garments. I am only familiar with the rudiments of SCA combat. But I can tell you mail is no protection from blunt trauma. One can get bruised rather quickly depending on it in that sense. It is great laceration protection, but not blunt trauma. If not plate, go for thick padding to avoid bruising or fractures. Plate is best but not without its own faults. The experience is great especially if making the stuff. I've got a couple gambesons, though they both restrict movement to an extreme degree. I need something thinner to use. |
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Post by thomasthesecond on Aug 12, 2019 15:24:32 GMT
I just saw this... So an acquaintance made a 'Lorica Plumata' for SCA fighting. He was very very excited to give it long hard field testing. His also was entirely hand made like yours. The short version of the story is that for SCA style fighting it offered little protection, more than regular mail though. Left very fun bruises. Was high maintenance, as the scales regularly broke rings or snapped off, bent etc. And I personally LOVED stabbing him because the scales caught tips like velcro. Oh, and it was heavy heavy. So now he drags it our for special battles, but it was a great learning process. I think for display, its great, for fighting, it really depends on what you're doing. I mean, if you were in medieval times, and had access to different armors to face different weapon systems, this one has merit thats for sure. But also, I'm sure theres a good reason it was mostly phased out. Now the real questions... Whats your plan for anti-rust maintenance? I just CLP is and roll it around like I'm trying to squeeze water out of a towel for a bit, and throw it in a leather bag. Knight Errants suggestion, actually. |
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Post by snowbite on Aug 12, 2019 15:39:14 GMT
Sounds like a perfect job for:  |
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Aug 12, 2019 21:06:12 GMT
Good plan, any rust preventative plan is better than none.
For an undergarment, were something with some shoulder padding, as most of the weight will rest there.
I use one of the knock off sport undershirts with built in hex pads, and a tunic over it to hide it...
And if this is just for looks, go aluminum, waaaayyyy lighter for the same look.
I think you'll be tickled by the sound it makes when you run...
OH...and SCA combat is glorified baseball bat fights, this provides almost no protection, but you'd be near slashproof.
Beware the stabs...wow this stiff catches points.
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Post by Paul Muad’Dib on Aug 12, 2019 21:24:26 GMT
Sounds like a perfect job for: I second this. Talked about it in another thread about oiling swords. I swear if you guys give this a try I don’t think you’ll ever use anything else. I know I won’t. |
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Post by thomasthesecond on Aug 12, 2019 23:39:10 GMT
Sounds like a perfect job for: I second this. Talked about it in another thread about oiling swords. I swear if you guys give this a try I don’t think you’ll ever use anything else. I know I won’t. I'll have to check it out. Not a fan of the stuff that sprays out like a squirt bottle though |
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Post by Paul Muad’Dib on Aug 13, 2019 0:03:20 GMT
I second this. Talked about it in another thread about oiling swords. I swear if you guys give this a try I don’t think you’ll ever use anything else. I know I won’t. I'll have to check it out. Not a fan of the stuff that sprays out like a squirt bottle though It comes in wet wipes and a can like 3 in1 oil or lighter fluid. Seriously check it out. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 13, 2019 14:44:11 GMT
I'm intrigued by this scale-maille, and I'm toying with the idea of making some, but I think that instead of a maille hauberk, I would like to affix it to a sturdy leather or textile backing to give it more shape (like a scale covered buff coat, or cuirasse).
I'm just not exactly sure where to start looking for such a foundation garment.
I wonder if a heavy wool navy-surplus pea coat would work, or perhaps an older style army field jacket.
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Post by thomasthesecond on Aug 13, 2019 15:05:28 GMT
I'm intrigued by this scale-maille, and I'm toying with the idea of making some, but I think that instead of a maille hauberk, I would like to affix it to a sturdy leather or textile backing to give it more shape (like a scale covered buff coat, or cuirasse). I'm just not exactly sure where to start looking for such a foundation garment. I wonder if a heavy wool navy-surplus pea coat would work. Mythalon makes a padded gambeson that's heavy canvas, that would probably be your best bet. I thought the same thing initially, but overheating seemed a likely issue for me. Edit: suede is available in the same gambeson, though then you're truly at risk of a heat stroke. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 13, 2019 16:36:10 GMT
I'm intrigued by this scale-maille, and I'm toying with the idea of making some, but I think that instead of a maille hauberk, I would like to affix it to a sturdy leather or textile backing to give it more shape (like a scale covered buff coat, or cuirasse). I'm just not exactly sure where to start looking for such a foundation garment. I wonder if a heavy wool navy-surplus pea coat would work. Mythalon makes a padded gambeson that's heavy canvas, that would probably be your best bet. I thought the same thing initially, but overheating seemed a likely issue for me. Edit: suede is available in the same gambeson, though then you're truly at risk of a heat stroke. I honestly wish I had a clue how to pull off making a cuir-boille cuirasse. I would like a certain level of rigidity, and the polymerization which takes place in leather when it is properly treated with hot water is supposed to impart significant resistance to impact and cutting. I think that would make an ideal backing for scale maille. I'm kind of inspired by the Japanese "do" armor seen here: shop.samurai-armor.com/product/dragon-scale-gashira-samurai-armor/and here: shop.samurai-armor.com/product/ujio-daimyo-gusoku/The torso armor in the two sets I linked above have the scales affixed to a rigid riveted lamellar backing. It's hinged on one side and laces up on the other, opening and closing like a clam shell, with weight distributed between the shoulder straps and waist belt. If I had a blacksmithing setup, experimenting with armor design would be one of the first things I set about toying with. ...one of these days...anyway. |
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Post by thomasthesecond on Aug 14, 2019 12:11:06 GMT
Mythalon makes a padded gambeson that's heavy canvas, that would probably be your best bet. I thought the same thing initially, but overheating seemed a likely issue for me. Edit: suede is available in the same gambeson, though then you're truly at risk of a heat stroke. I honestly wish I had a clue how to pull off making a cuir-boille cuirasse. I would like a certain level of rigidity, and the polymerization which takes place in leather when it is properly treated with hot water is supposed to impart significant resistance to impact and cutting. I think that would make an ideal backing for scale maille. I'm kind of inspired by the Japanese "do" armor seen here: shop.samurai-armor.com/product/dragon-scale-gashira-samurai-armor/and here: shop.samurai-armor.com/product/ujio-daimyo-gusoku/The torso armor in the two sets I linked above have the scales affixed to a rigid riveted lamellar backing. It's hinged on one side and laces up on the other, opening and closing like a clam shell, with weight distributed between the shoulder straps and waist belt. If I had a blacksmithing setup, experimenting with armor design would be one of the first things I set about toying with. ...one of these days...anyway. Those scales look EXTREMELY small. That would be a nightmare in my mind, knowing what it's like making larger stuff. You'd be a brave one to attempt to make that stuff, lol. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 14, 2019 15:56:42 GMT
I honestly wish I had a clue how to pull off making a cuir-boille cuirasse. I would like a certain level of rigidity, and the polymerization which takes place in leather when it is properly treated with hot water is supposed to impart significant resistance to impact and cutting. I think that would make an ideal backing for scale maille. I'm kind of inspired by the Japanese "do" armor seen here: shop.samurai-armor.com/product/dragon-scale-gashira-samurai-armor/and here: shop.samurai-armor.com/product/ujio-daimyo-gusoku/The torso armor in the two sets I linked above have the scales affixed to a rigid riveted lamellar backing. It's hinged on one side and laces up on the other, opening and closing like a clam shell, with weight distributed between the shoulder straps and waist belt. If I had a blacksmithing setup, experimenting with armor design would be one of the first things I set about toying with. ...one of these days...anyway. Those scales look EXTREMELY small. That would be a nightmare in my mind, knowing what it's like making larger stuff. You'd be a brave one to attempt to make that stuff, lol. I think there must be a miscommunication. The examples I gave were to demonstrate the concept of scales attached to a rigid backing (in those cases, banded lamellar), not the size of scales I am considering using. In the second example, the scales look pretty large to me, but I guess you have more first hand experience. |
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