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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 2:09:39 GMT
hello, I am new here, so excuse me if this has already been asked... Q: I bought a Hanwei Practical Ninjato, (so far very pleased ) and I was wondering if it would be ok to oil it with Canola oil, since I don't have Shoji Oil at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 2:29:10 GMT
You may want to have a look at this thread, it will answer your question better than I can.
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Vernon
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 2:30:54 GMT
well,
I don't know if Canola oil is fine, they don't mention it... and I don't have any of the listed kinds...
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jul 25, 2008 2:38:27 GMT
I think you'll find vegetable oils will get VERY sticky over time. And will be hard to clean off, after a couple of months. Have you got any motor oil out back you could use for now. That or grease will keep it safe, til you get Choji. Thats all I ever use anyway. Ahh greese, its messy but it stays where you put it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 2:43:58 GMT
I do know that olive oil was used in Colonial America as preservative lube for may items. It was used after cleaning firearms and as a component of bullet lube for both muskets and rifles.
Since olive oil and canola oil are both vegetable oils, canola oil should work. I have not used it, nor do I know of anyone who has.
I hope this helps.
Vernon
Edit to add: Thanks Brenno, I knew there was something I was forgetting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 12:50:11 GMT
The Canola would work in the short term to avoid rust, but it will get sticky and go rancid. Camellia is better or just get some mineral type of oil.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 0:47:09 GMT
I'm not sure if this applies across the board, but I'm sure I remember reading that plant oils polymerise and harden over time into a varnish-like substance (think linseed or tung oil)
To be honest, you're only really trying to keep the blade from rusting, your ninjato is a modern sword made from modern materials and doesn't have any special care requirements.
The oils to stay away from are the ones that are designed to shift rusty bolts, as they often have chemicals in them which eat away rust, and these chemicals can also discolour your blade.
You're probably better off using a light oil such as sewing machine oil. I believe Choji is mostly mineral oil anyway, the difference is that it has some clove oil in it too, which is why my katana always smells like a dentist's surgery ;D
People often use vegetable oil on pocket knives that they intend to use to prepare food, but that's probably the only valid reason for using it.
Don't forget that what you put on the outside of your blade will end up on the inside of your saya...
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Post by 293master293 on Jul 26, 2008 0:54:07 GMT
If you use your Ninja-to weekly, or more, WD-40 is just fine. As long as you do not have a problem re-applying every 2 weeks or so, it works just fine for keeping rust away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 23:23:55 GMT
I'd avoid vegetable oil as well. You don't want your ninja-to to smell like french fries, do you? I've said it before, I'm a fan of silicone-based tire shine or armour-all. It dries to the touch and prevents rusting with no visible or tactile residue.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jul 26, 2008 23:45:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 0:00:21 GMT
I can tell you, as a cook, vegetable oils do get sticky when left on most surfaces too long. In fact, the stuff will actually harden over time and set up almost like a glue. I constantly battle it on the wall next to my stove. It forms little globules that I sometimes have to scrape off.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jul 27, 2008 0:08:50 GMT
teah veggy will discolor blades and gumm up real bad so it's best not to use it on pricy steel just get a can of wd-40 and reapply it every week or so
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 0:28:32 GMT
well, thank you everyone !
that was most complete and clear,
I'll get WD-40 or somethin' as soon as possible
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2008 4:11:40 GMT
I have read on some dealer sites that WD40 is unwise to use. Gun oils should work fine. There were designed to not just reduce friction during use, but to also prevent rust.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jul 28, 2008 4:34:36 GMT
the "WD" stands for water-displacement formula 40 it was designed for NASA to keep water out of sensitive parts
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2008 16:04:21 GMT
I can attest to the canolla oil getting sticky. I used some olive oil on an old Cold Steel tanto knife because I had nothing else at the time. After a couple of months I pulled it out and it was all sticky and messy. I use some WD40 to clean that off and left a film of that on. But as the others have said, Choji oil is just mineral oil that can be baught at any Walmart, or hardware store.
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Post by wiwingti on Jul 30, 2008 18:30:31 GMT
ryuzaki, i don't think it will work, canola oil is to thick. i tryed it and it doesn't do a good job, when it dryed it got sticky. i tried it on a440 stainless kitchen knive. an old one i do not use so that was easy to let it there to see what happens.
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Post by wiwingti on Jul 30, 2008 18:33:08 GMT
ryuzaki, i don't think it will work, canola oil is to thick. i tryed it and it doesn't do a good job, when it dryed it got sticky. i tried it on a440 stainless kitchen knive. an old one i do not use so that was easy to let it there to see what happens. forgot a couple of words, i tried many oils(canola, vegetable, peanut,) they all have failed
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