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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 12:16:20 GMT
That Kris kopis does look nice. (I did not intend to contribute to a thread hijacking.) You certainly did not hijack. You just made a statement of fact: Driggers does make a better kopis. I'm just interested in how Asian smiths interpret European weapons. I think this one is pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 12:17:23 GMT
It's infuriatingly debatable. The archaeological record is spotty and artwork subject to interpretation. All in all, though, if they really wanted to use both, it would have been far better to have the midrib on the xiphos and the fuller on the kopis. Their kopis is rather light. I agree about the record, it's not easy to distinguish between a fuller and a midrib.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jun 29, 2019 17:06:53 GMT
The falcata was a cutting weapon a rib would have slow this down. Some falcata had fullers, bronze ones did have them all bronze age weapon did for strength without them the weapon would have broke. Since bronze age weapons were casted it was easy to do the rib. One a iron age weapon it wasn't easy to forge in. The pictures on the vase are from bronze age weapons.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jun 29, 2019 17:44:03 GMT
The falcata was a cutting weapon a rib would have slow this down. Some falcata had fullers, bronze ones did have them all bronze age weapon did for strength without them the weapon would have broke. Since bronze age weapons were casted it was easy to do the rib. One a iron age weapon it wasn't easy to forge in. The pictures on the vase are from bronze age weapons. Yeah, funnily enough we learned the lesson that a rib is bad for cutting all over again in the 19th century.
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Post by MOK on Jun 30, 2019 9:40:29 GMT
I've been trying and failing to find better photos than the tiny one on Comitatus of two iron kopises, from Corfu and Athens, that to me seem to have a single central rib rather than any arrangement of fullers and grooves: Alas, no such luck. However, I did manage to stumble upon much better photos of a third one, sadly unsourced, at Hellinon: (The site, in Greek, has a bigger version of that photo and also a closer shot of the hilt, about halfway down the page.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 15:45:13 GMT
Awesome pics, Mok. I agree with Driggers that midribs make little sense on a cutting sword unless they are made of bronze. Optically, however, it can be really difficult to spot the difference in a photo.
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Post by MOK on Jun 30, 2019 16:21:47 GMT
Remember that early iron blades were no better than bronze, structurally speaking, neither harder nor more resilient. The primary advantage of iron before we figured out how to make steel was that it was much more plentiful than copper and especially tin, and thus waaayyy cheaper than bronze.
The three kopis in my last post are all particularly long, probably cavalry weapons, which makes the reinforcing rib that much more sensible, while various arrangements of fullers and decorative grooves are almost universal on the shorter, broader style of kopis presumably mainly used on foot. (All three also share the same relatively enclosed hilt design, with the hooked birds-head pommel. This gives a very secure grip, which would naturally be of particular importance on horseback.)
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 13, 2019 15:23:48 GMT
Anybody pick one of these up yet? I still kinda wanna get my hands on the kopis, but can't justify the cost. Vicarious experience will have to suffice.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 13, 2019 16:22:31 GMT
If that was a fuller wouldn’t the tip be super thin and bend or break. I think it’s a mid rib. Kind of an optical illusion.
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Post by Matt KOA on Jul 14, 2019 5:03:32 GMT
It is a mid-rib on the blade, not a fuller. I took the pictures for the site and looking back at them I can see why it could be confused for a fuller. Quite the optical illusion really that it looks like it could be either of those things. I'll add something in the description of the item next week to clarify it.
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