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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 14:29:02 GMT
From Kult of Athena:
Xiphos:http://kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=KRS002&name=Greek+Xiphos
Thoughts?
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Post by Siward on Jun 28, 2019 18:00:23 GMT
Well the Xiphos isn’t as nice as the one Driggers has just posted up but otherwise both look goid
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jun 28, 2019 20:00:21 GMT
My wasn't a Xiphos it a celtic. But yes I can do better but it will be higher.
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Post by MOK on Jun 29, 2019 0:22:43 GMT
The xiphos is just all wrong - the weight, the proportions, the blade geometry, the construction, everything.
The kopis looks much better, actually quite reminiscent overall of some vase paintings I've been looking at, although like the xiphos it too should have a full slab tang, especially with that slender bird's head pommel...
I think the scabbards are the nicest thing about these, at first glance. I'd also expect good craftsmanship from Kris Cutlery, of course, it's just the designs are really lacking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 0:40:12 GMT
The kopis is definitely the standout. It actually looks well researched and authentic, right down to the scabbard.
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Post by pellius on Jun 29, 2019 0:44:30 GMT
L Driggers can make a pretty nice kopis, too.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 29, 2019 1:23:33 GMT
In the past Kris made quality swords, I assume they still do.
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Post by leviathansteak on Jun 29, 2019 1:29:58 GMT
The kopis looks really good. Love that thick midrib and flat cross section. If i was into greek weapons i don't think id be able to resist
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Post by Scott on Jun 29, 2019 1:39:32 GMT
The kopis looks nice. Not sure it could top my Driggers kopis though, which reminds me I still need to make a scabbard for it...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 1:57:48 GMT
I fully endorse Driggers and would prefer a kopis from him, but I assume he is very busy about now. I think Kris is a good example of an Asian forge that has carefully researched a European sword. I'm just impressed with the quality and wish someone would buy one so I could learn more.
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Post by pellius on Jun 29, 2019 2:06:41 GMT
That Kris kopis does look nice. (I did not intend to contribute to a thread hijacking.)
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 29, 2019 3:10:21 GMT
I want to like the kopis, but I dunno. Something about it just seems "off" to me, but I don't know what. I'd give it a shot if I had the funds and nothing else to spend them on, but I'm not feeling the call as hard as $300+ would require... Someone else tell me what to think.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jun 29, 2019 5:45:15 GMT
The kopis looks really good. Love that thick midrib and flat cross section. If i was into greek weapons i don't think id be able to resist It's not a midrib it's a fuller. Either way it's wrong.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jun 29, 2019 5:52:19 GMT
The Kopis looks like it has a short stick tang. The ones I have made are full tang all the way. Think I have a forged one that just needs to be finished in the shop right now.
By the way I still have a few opening for this year.
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Post by leviathansteak on Jun 29, 2019 7:23:42 GMT
The kopis looks really good. Love that thick midrib and flat cross section. If i was into greek weapons i don't think id be able to resist It's not a midrib it's a fuller. Either way it's wrong. eh?? Man it sure looks like a midrib. Especially the shot of the tip. Trick of the light maybe Edit: the item description says 'heightened central ridge'
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Post by MOK on Jun 29, 2019 7:32:18 GMT
The kopis looks really good. Love that thick midrib and flat cross section. If i was into greek weapons i don't think id be able to resist It's not a midrib it's a fuller. Either way it's wrong. I may be mistaken, but judging by the photos it seems to me the kopis does indeed have a midrib (unlike the xiphos).
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jun 29, 2019 9:20:05 GMT
It's not a midrib it's a fuller. Either way it's wrong. I may be mistaken, but judging by the photos it seems to me the kopis does indeed have a midrib (unlike the xiphos Think you are right, but kopis didn't have ribs as far as I know.
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Post by MOK on Jun 29, 2019 10:04:20 GMT
I may be mistaken, but judging by the photos it seems to me the kopis does indeed have a midrib (unlike the xiphos). Think you are right, but kopis didn't have ribs as far as I know. Period art shows lines down the blade of many kopises, quite distinct from the representations clearly showing an array of decorative grooves like those featured on most surviving falcatas for example. Of course it might not be actually meant to indicate a ridge or raised rib as found on the typical xiphos, but when the line travels all the way to the blade's tip following either the back or the rough center of the blade's outline (and is thus unlikely to be meant as the inner edge of the main bevel, for example), it seems plausible enough. In some cases they seem to bear a resemblance to false-edged pipe-back sabers ( for example), but then, this might also just be due to a slip of the artist's hand... That said, there are only so many kopises known from the archaeological record, to the point that searching for Greek kopis tends to turn up Iberian falcata instead, and I haven't found any description of their blade geometry or photographs that would show it, so what do I know, you know?
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 29, 2019 11:30:06 GMT
I would definitely have interpreted that as a fuller, but knowing a lot of bronze-age stuff had central ribs, so I can see where that would come from.
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Post by MOK on Jun 29, 2019 12:15:04 GMT
It's infuriatingly debatable. The archaeological record is spotty and the artwork subject to interpretation.
All in all, though, if they really wanted to use both, it would have been far better to have the midrib on the xiphos and the fuller on the kopis.
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