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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2008 23:01:03 GMT
I have a sword which is great apart from the fact that it isn't heat treated. I know that the blade is made of high carbon steel, and that the same sword is also available in a heat treated version.
I have read a lot of posts on the subject of heat treating blades, and it seems that there's no point trying to do this myself, but I understand that a lot of people make blades and then send them away for the heat treating processes.
I'd like to use the sword that I have if it won't cost too much to have it treated, because as it's soft at the moment, I can make modifications to it. I'm pretty handy with simple metalwork, and it would be nice if I could 'tailor' it perfectly to my needs then get it heat treated, resulting in a one of a kind sword that I had at least had a hand in making.
Trouble is, I haven't got a clue what type of company would offer this type of service so I don't know where to begin looking. A spring manufacturer maybe?
Also, is this an expensive thing to get done?
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jul 22, 2008 18:15:39 GMT
Is this the same sword. Turns out ot be heat treated anyway? For reference I get my longblades done at a local leaf spring manufacturing shop, which they for for $10 for their beer money. They do all the blade makers within coo-wee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2008 18:50:02 GMT
Lol, I know what that means.
I'm not completely ignorant of australian culture apparently.
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Post by Matthew Stagmer on Jul 22, 2008 22:45:15 GMT
If you dont knwo the material. dont try to heat treat it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2008 0:16:07 GMT
If it didn't come heat-treated, it's not a sword. It's a piece of steel.
Where did you purchase this? If someone is selling soft steel slabs as "swords", I'd like to know who so I don't purchase such an item.
Also, unless you can get a good idea of what steel it is(maker's website, email them, whatever), you can't do diddly. The HT process is highly contingent on what steel it is. Using the wrong process would result in a sub-par piece of junk, or a shattered pile of sorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2008 11:59:59 GMT
Yes, it is the sword that turned out to be heat treated anyway, doh! ;D
The problem was that the sword will take a set if bent too far (like most other swords I guess) and after seeing some of the reviews and seeing how far other swords were bending, I put it over my knee and gave it some.
I guess it had no option but to take a set or snap, and luckily it did the former.
If I bend the sword a sensible amount, it does indeed return to true, and after testing it with a file, I'm satisfied it's heat treated.
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Post by slav on Jul 23, 2008 16:23:49 GMT
If there is even any question, than I would look into buying a better sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2008 0:45:18 GMT
Well, I think I will anyway, but not for that reason.
Although I have been interested in swords for a long time, until now it was mostly the Japanese type. The whole idea of bending a sword to test it is new to me, because it's not something you do with an antique Japanese blade ;D
I guess I was just too heavy handed, I really did put a lot of force into it before it bent, and I'm lucky it bent rather than snapped!
European swords, and particularly the idea of a 'beater' are pretty new to me, so I still have a lot to learn about them. Bending swords, hacking at trees, and generally abusing them is not something I would have considered a fortnight ago (but it does look fun...)
I have a katana that have owned for nearly a decade, and I have never once touched the blade with my bare hand!
Now I know that flexing a European sword is ok, but bending it really hard over your knee is going too far! I'm sure some swords could have taken it, but I doubt it would be good for them, and I don't feel that I have a bad sword just because I managed to bend it.
You should have seen me bending it back to shape, it wasn't easy ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2008 3:59:38 GMT
well when u bend steel or any metal u create micro fractures which sorta hardens the metal where is was bent. so the second time bending it back will be more difficult because u are working with harder material. (YAY PBS katana special )
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Post by 293master293 on Jul 27, 2008 7:57:26 GMT
Glad to hear that it is actually heat treated. Taking a sword iver your knee will bend it 75% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 13:35:36 GMT
A properly heat-treated sword will bend/flex quite a bit.
A poorly heat-treated sword will bend, and stay there. Taking a set is a sign of an incredibly bad heat-treatment.
Sure, even a good sword can take a set if abused; but a well-made sword should be pretty much impossible to bend enough to set using your own hands, even with a fulcrum(your knee, in this case).
So no, Master, if you're saying that swords will take a set when put them over your knee 75% of the time, you're seriously wrong. CHEAP swords will set or snap 75% or more, but that does NOT account for properly made blades.
This is the reason I refuse to spend less then $150 for European swords(Windlass' quality is particularly good, without an exorbitant pricerange), and $300 for Japanese style swords(so much more goes into Shinken, and everything has to be exceptional or your left with something too dangerous to use, regardless of what many people here seem to believe).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2008 17:28:13 GMT
So if A poorly heat-treated sword will bend, and stay there. Taking a set is a sign of an incredibly bad heat-treatment. and If it didn't come heat-treated, it's not a sword. It's a piece of steel. are true, my VA Atrim LS has to be considered a "swordlike object". It takes a set when the pommel gets a vigorous slap with the palm.
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 5, 2008 17:39:57 GMT
I your VA Practical actually bends and stays there from just slapping the pommel vigorously, you got a dud. Everyone makes a bad sword now and then. Most of the VA Practicals have been very good in the heat treat area. But anyone can make a mistake on occasion. I suggest you contact the vendor you got it from, or Valiant Armoury, and discuss the sword with them. If it is bad, Sonny will likely replace it for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2008 18:18:53 GMT
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Post by 293master293 on Aug 6, 2008 3:05:11 GMT
A properly heat-treated sword will bend/flex quite a bit. A poorly heat-treated sword will bend, and stay there. Taking a set is a sign of an incredibly bad heat-treatment. Sure, even a good sword can take a set if abused; but a well-made sword should be pretty much impossible to bend enough to set using your own hands, even with a fulcrum(your knee, in this case). So no, Master, if you're saying that swords will take a set when put them over your knee 75% of the time, you're seriously wrong. CHEAP swords will set or snap 75% or more, but that does NOT account for properly made blades. This is the reason I refuse to spend less then $150 for European swords(Windlass' quality is particularly good, without an exorbitant pricerange), and $300 for Japanese style swords(so much more goes into Shinken, and everything has to be exceptional or your left with something too dangerous to use, regardless of what many people here seem to believe). Well, I just must be stronger than most people. As I can bend any sword out there over my knee. Though a sword bending with a whack to the pommel is odd.
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