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Post by Timo Nieminen on Apr 8, 2019 12:56:36 GMT
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 8, 2019 16:54:31 GMT
I keep going back to look at it, wanting to like it more each time. Most stats seem pretty feasible, but it's a heavy bugger.
I'd like a sharper yelman, but under $300, how picky can one be?
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Post by zabazagobo on Apr 9, 2019 2:57:46 GMT
I noticed it too, looks like an interesting piece.
But a 2 lb 6 oz sword is actually 1 lb overweight? A kilij must be insanely lightweight then if it's 1.5 lbs or less. How long were blade lengths on average then? Just wrapping my head around how the sword's designed as I'm not super familiar with them.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Apr 9, 2019 3:33:33 GMT
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 9, 2019 9:01:25 GMT
I'm no expert, but I'd say not very likely. A difference of a pound would require as much polishing/sharpening as it takes for a typical chef's knife to start looking more like a filet knife.
I have seen a number of tulwar etc with blades that look like they've been sharpened a lot (ricasso much wider than cutting edge, for instance) but whether that can be applied to kilij, I don't know.
I can vouch that T-section blades are super thin, though. Of my 5 T-section khybers, not one is more than 2mm thick apart from the spine. Of course, they're also around 2" wide at the base, so they still weigh quite a lot. For instance, my lightest is 804g (1lb 12.4oz) and my heaviest is 1218g (2lbs 11oz) for ~23" blades. Kilij look narrower and cold possibly be even thinner, or feature more taper, bringing their weight down even more? Need to get my hands on an old one some day...
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Apr 9, 2019 10:18:00 GMT
My two antique khybers are about 3mm thin on the flats. One is 515g with an 18" blade, and the other is 670g with a 22" blade and no grip scales or bolster.
The T-spine swords in Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani, "Arms and Armor from Iran", have blade lengths and weights of:
83cm, 778g 82cm, 670g 68cm, 640g
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 9, 2019 13:36:01 GMT
My khybers are definitely heavy for their sizes. Amusingly, the lightest is not the shortest, but it is the narrowest. Corrections, actually. I just re-referenced my stats list, and the weights I listed were in scabbards. Here's a picture of the blades in question, followed by a list of basic specs: Stats are standard - metric. First length is in scabbard, second whole knife, third blade. Weights are in and out of scabbard . Small choora Length 12 3/8 - 31.3 11 3/4 - 30 7 1/2 - 19 Weight 7.6 - 216 6.1 - 173 PoB 0 Large choora Length 21 7/8 - 55.5 18 1/8 - 46 13 1/2 - 34.3 Weight 1 2.5 - 524 11.6 - 328 PoB 3/4 - 2 Small bone grip Length 27 3/4 - 70.5 25 1/4 - 64 20 - 50.8 Weight 1 12.9 - 818 1 3.3 - 547 PoB 4.5 -11.5 Dark horn Length 30 1/8 - 76.4 27 1/8 - 68.8 21 5/8 - 55 Weight 1 12.4 - 804 1 1.9 - 507 PoB 5 3/4 - 14.6 Two-tone Length 30 3/8 - 77.2 27 3/4 - 70.5 22 1/2 - 57 Weight 2 2.8 - 987 1 5.6 - 612 PoB 6 1/8 15.5 Large bone grip Length 30 3/4 - 78 28 1/4 - 78.5 23 1/2 - 59.5 Weight 2 3.9 - 1018 1 7.1 - 656 PoB 6 1/2 - 16.5 Ribbed horn Length 30 1/2 - 77.4 28 7/8 - 73.3 23 3/8 - 59.4 Weight 2 11.0 - 1218 1 11.0 - 766 PoB 7 - 17.7
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