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Post by salvatore on Jul 17, 2008 10:45:15 GMT
Hello,
As some of you may or may not know, my nerve damage hand has been keeping me from doing many of the things I love, I've had time to kick back and watch the world. I have just been watching the way people behave, it is almost sickening. I have come to realize that we are all disrespectful hooligans.
It really started when I was watching people fight and have the smallest of disagreements, which led to violence! And I always have to help but wonder why people do these things to each other, violent crimes and blatant disregard for human life. I also have to wonder why man doesn't try and correct the mistakes they have made. Really, through my constant practice of iaido, and my other soothing hobbies, I've become more rational, much calmer and nicer towards my fellow man.
So, out of curiosity, why do you think a majority of people don't try and manage their anger and do good deeds, even though those selfless acts will in time, make you feel like a better person, and knowing you did some small good part in someones life.
Just a 15 year old rambling, this is just what I've come to see, especially in this past 8 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 11:30:03 GMT
It is human nature to tread the path that is less hard.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 17, 2008 13:14:14 GMT
Ego.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 14:04:17 GMT
Two words tell the whole story........... "I" and "Me"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 14:19:49 GMT
personally I think it has a bit to do with mortality and longevity.
People may think that in the past, we were a very violent, feudal species, but I believe during that time we were far more respectful and aware of our mortality, which garnered a different kind of respect than we as a species have today, even though war was fairly regular around the globe. With people living well into their nineties on a regular basis, and medical technology swaying the odds in favor of living instead of letting nature take it's course to control population, it has an influence on man as a whole and causes things like murder in schools over being called names, or proliferation of serial killers, child molesters, etc.
I'm not saying that they never existed in ancient history, I just feel that society today desensitizes us to these things which causes them to become more commonplace.
my $0.02... and that's probably more than it's worth.
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Post by alvin on Jul 17, 2008 15:57:54 GMT
So, out of curiosity, why do you think a majority of people don't try and manage their anger and do good deeds, even though those selfless acts will in time, make you feel like a better person, and knowing you did some small good part in someones life. Hey Sal, I hope that you're healing well. From my experience, I believe that most people do try to manage their anger and do good deeds - to varying degrees. Some people are thoughtful to the needs of everyone and others may be kind only to a select few. But I do believe that most people are kind at heart, again to one degree or another. It's the actions of the few real a..holes of the world that we remember and, over a period of time, this may tend to color our opinion of the world. I believe that it's the same with controlling anger, everyone tries to varying degrees. Some are successful most of the time and some of us not so well. Some try because they know anger is not always a good thing and others because they know that, from past experiences, if they become too angry, they tend to get into trouble. ![;)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 16:13:54 GMT
personally I think it has a bit to do with mortality and longevity. People may think that in the past, we were a very violent, feudal species, but I believe during that time we were far more respectful and aware of our mortality, which garnered a different kind of respect than we as a species have today, even though war was fairly regular around the globe. With people living well into their nineties on a regular basis, and medical technology swaying the odds in favor of living instead of letting nature take it's course to control population, it has an influence on man as a whole and causes things like murder in schools over being called names, or proliferation of serial killers, child molesters, etc. I'm not saying that they never existed in ancient history, I just feel that society today desensitizes us to these things which causes them to become more commonplace. my $0.02... and that's probably more than it's worth. Thou deserve karma for that wise insight Riggins
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 16:41:10 GMT
Thanks Aku, It's actually a thought that had been rattling around in my head for a long time. It was nice to have a topic that was a good place to share it.
Alvin, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Good people definitely are in greater number still than bad. If not, we'd already be living in a post-apocalyptic road warrior type world. We're just in such an overcrowded state now that we see so much more hatred and anger than you would have in previous times. And being in the mass communication era we live in it's sensationalized in our faces on a daily basis.
Funny how we know that those who understand right from wrong, and generally try to live good lives, still seem to thrive on seeing and knowing the misfortune of others. TV/media ratings are the proof. Our environment maybe? dunno...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 23:40:48 GMT
Sal, you must hang out with some sempriniesque people to have such a poor outlook for others. If you don't see the good, you don't look hard enough. A guy charged with murder makes page 1 in the papers, when he is found completely innocent it's on page 12. Does anyone remember him being declared innocent? No they only remember he was accused.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jul 17, 2008 23:54:02 GMT
Hello, As some of you may or may not know, my nerve damage hand has been keeping me from doing many of the things I love, I've had time to kick back and watch the world. I have just been watching the way people behave, it is almost sickening. I have come to realize that we are all disrespectful hooligans. It really started when I was watching people fight and have the smallest of disagreements, which led to violence! And I always have to help but wonder why people do these things to each other, violent crimes and blatant disregard for human life. I also have to wonder why man doesn't try and correct the mistakes they have made. Really, through my constant practice of iaido, and my other soothing hobbies, I've become more rational, much calmer and nicer towards my fellow man. Sounds like me after I started smoking. ;D Some just have no concern for their fellow man and have it in their mind "Every man for himself". That and every man seems to have a superiority complex.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2008 16:57:04 GMT
Now this is not intended to start a fight or conflict in any way - but I've noticed that those negative traits we're talking about here have been demonstrated by some forum members, where, in the context of the conversation at the time, it was lauded as a good thing...
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Post by alvin on Jul 18, 2008 17:08:46 GMT
Now this is not intended to start a fight or conflict in any way - but I've noticed that those negative traits we're talking about here have been demonstrated by some forum members, where, in the context of the conversation at the time, it was lauded as a good thing... Me too ![:D](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2008 21:26:19 GMT
Its pretty simple if you think about it like this....
A long time ago growing up was a real challenge, the rules were strict, and the punishments were harsh. Back then a 13 year old boy was expected to "pull his weight" in society. And up until the introduction of child labor laws these youngsters often worked full time jobs just like the adults.
While education was far less advanced in terms of understanding our world as we know it today,... it was the way that the knowledge of the time was taught that had tempered the young minds at the time to the ways of the world. These people learned through books, but also through life experience at a very early age in life.
There wasn't as much emphasis on safety back then, they had more of a "get the job done or die trying" type of attitude towards life. And this type of selfless thinking has long since past...
I believe our very finest generation of people (in America anyway) are nearing death now,... and their values that built our great nation will die with them.
Today, kids are spoiled for the most part... (myself included) We have computers that can do our work for us, we can find the answer to almost any question at the click of a finger. We have parents who are so overly protective of their spawn that they won't allow them to get into these "life learning" situations. They shower them with undeserved praise and tell them they love them 50 times a day, and that they are more special than anyone else in the world. And some of these youth begin to feel that, they are better than anyone else <thus the attitude with these 12 year old's who will tell a grown man to go [censored] himself...
Sometimes it just doesn't sink into to a persons mind until they experience it for themselves... Learning the hard way so to speak. Then we have teachers who care more about getting paid and going home than they do about their students development. Combined with the attitude adopted from the over importance placed on these kids, you have young students who tell the teachers they don't know anything. So then the educators eventually give up trying to teach and then the children who actually are there to learn loose out.
So its my observation, that there is entirely too much over protectiveness, and self importance being pumped into todays youth that now most young people think that they have all the answers and close their minds to learning new things.
Ask anyone under a certain age about history... They usually don't know anything. The things that used to be taught in school at an 8th grade level, which are simple historical facts that ANY American should know are either not taught, or not paid attention to.
Go ahead and try to talk about history with an American youth today, watch how fast they loose interest. And its not because its boring to them, its because they don't care... Because society places too much praise on these newer generations which haven't earned it yet.
Look at contests or competitions nowadays.... Back then winning used to mean that you did well at something, now no matter how bad you do they give "participation awards" so no one feels left out. This seems to be a poor way of rewarding someone for not doing well. It used to be that if you lost you didn't get anything, which in turn would make you try harder the next time and encouraged positive growth and ambition. Now kids don't try their hardest because they know that they will be rewarded no matter how little effort they give. <This is just one of many examples of misplaced importance.
Now for anyone that thinks i'm being to hard on the young people please don't start with bashing me... I speak from experience because i WAS one of those self important youths that i'm talking about. But when i got sick, i came to a realization that in the overall scheme of things, i am not even a spec of dust in this world which opened my mind to learning new and old things.
Respectfully, James Gall
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Post by rammstein on Jul 18, 2008 22:30:40 GMT
Could we please stop ranting about MY generation?
I mean seriously, I know you mean well and I agree to some extent, but it's really getting a bit annoying hearing every day about how spoiled we are and that we are ungreatful jerks. Seriously, give it a rest. Those of us who are listening have already heard you and those of us who aren't probably never will. It's a rather poor self esteem booster to be played this repetitive loops about our uncaring disrespect that we seem to exude.
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying it's getting a little hurtful at this point. I don't feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jul 18, 2008 23:17:56 GMT
Well I agree full heartedly. It took me a while to find real value's. Kid's now a days are spoiled. I see some little kid calling me a semprini. He honestly thinks I won't attack him when provoked. Which is where my degenerate-ment comes in place. Too much pride.
Sometimes it is best to accept things and try change them, rather than be offended.
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Post by rammstein on Jul 18, 2008 23:32:41 GMT
I had a gang of 6th grade skateboard freaks try to beat me up because they thought I was a big bad 8th grader (good god I'm 17! And big!) and I was wearing my really old D.A.R.E. shirt (Drug abuse resistance education) which automatically makes me a nerd.
I won.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2008 23:34:52 GMT
Could we please stop ranting about MY generation? I mean seriously, I know you mean well and I agree to some extent, but it's really getting a bit annoying hearing every day about how spoiled we are and that we are ungreatful jerks. Seriously, give it a rest. Those of us who are listening have already heard you and those of us who aren't probably never will. It's a rather poor self esteem booster to be played this repetitive loops about our uncaring disrespect that we seem to exude. I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying it's getting a little hurtful at this point. I don't feel warm and fuzzy inside. Just in case you missed a line or two... I consider myself to be in YOUR generation... In fact i made direct reference to being raised in the way i described as being the problem. So your offense is your own, and thank you for further proving my point.
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Post by rammstein on Jul 18, 2008 23:37:15 GMT
Jim...with all due respect, you're in your late 20's. You're not "one of us"
I'm just asking you to be a bit more respectful towards others ages. If that somehow proves your point, I'd ask you to please be more sensitive towards other's feelings. I don't like being insulted by being called spoiled.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2008 23:37:54 GMT
Well I agree full heartedly Sometimes it is best to accept things and try change them, rather than be offended. Well said, spoken from the man with the open mind... +1 from me!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2008 23:41:43 GMT
Jim...with all due respect, you're in your late 20's. You're not "one of us" Man you do all the work for me,... Thank you again for proving my point with the "your not one of us" statement. Just supports my theory that todays youth think they are superior. +1 for giving me an example Ramm... I respect all ages of people, the problem, like i said, some of the younger generations don't...
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