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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 1:20:10 GMT
Yes, I see now but replaced or scraped? I'd have done it in dark. As he has already brought it up to as new as you'll likely get, I have to go back to my initial clean and dry .
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 15, 2019 1:22:07 GMT
im thinking atm im just going to have the more pitted side restored as much as possible without removing material and leave it at that
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 15, 2019 2:32:50 GMT
Restoration is a weird thing. Many say leave it alone, just as many say stabilize and keep oiled, but outside of Japanese stuff, not many really restore to like-new. Military pieces, if they're stable, sometimes. Non-standard/pattern stuff, it depends.
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 15, 2019 2:48:25 GMT
Restoration is a weird thing. Many say leave it alone, just as many say stabilize and keep oiled, but outside of Japanese stuff, not many really restore to like-new. Military pieces, if they're stable, sometimes. Non-standard/pattern stuff, it depends. This is a early Qing military officer saber so just restoring the pitted side a bit should be fine? like by a professional
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 15, 2019 3:26:04 GMT
Restoration is a weird thing. Many say leave it alone, just as many say stabilize and keep oiled, but outside of Japanese stuff, not many really restore to like-new. Military pieces, if they're stable, sometimes. Non-standard/pattern stuff, it depends. This is a early Qing military officer saber so just restoring the pitted side a bit should be fine? like by a professional I've talked to a few professionals and the general consensus is to leave it as is, there is no active rust and everything is stabalized, the pitted side should be conserved rather then actively trying to restore. I will heed their advice and leave it as is
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 15, 2019 3:56:03 GMT
Probably best. I figure, if it wasn't already restored when you bought it, considering where you bought it, restoration is probably just not viable.
I don't like buying things that need work, or are in conditions I'm not content with accepting as-is, but I do admit my first antique was a Gras bayonet that had been without a scabbard for a long time, and is badly blackened and pitted at the end. My second was a bare-blade wakizashi in a junk saya that had suffered a bad, amateur polish. I still haven't come up with the money to get it fixed. Later I bought another wakizashi, in arguably better overall condition, though gray with patina, and haven't gotten around to having that polished yet, either.
Of course, after those my attention relocated and I've bought multiple other antiques from a few other parts of the world that are in varying conditions. I've since gotten a lot pickier.
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 15, 2019 3:57:52 GMT
Probably best. I figure, if it wasn't already restored when you bought it, considering where you bought it, restoration is probably just not viable. I don't like buying things that need work, or are in conditions I'm not content with accepting as-is, but I do admit my first antique was a Gras bayonet that had been without a scabbard for a long time, and is badly blackened and pitted at the end. My second was a bare-blade wakizashi in a junk saya that had suffered a bad, amateur polish. I still haven't come up with the money to get it fixed. Later I bought another wakizashi, in arguably better overall condition, though gray with patina, and haven't gotten around to having that polished yet, either. Of course, after those my attention relocated and I've bought multiple other antiques from a few other parts of the world that are in varying conditions. I've since gotten a lot pickier. yeah early 17th century Qing officer sabers are so rare this one was pretty pricey for me, im not sure if it is considered expensive in the world of antiques but for me it was lol, Im satisfied with it and will post some more pics soon
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 15, 2019 4:01:10 GMT
I'm not one to judge Chinese stuff, that's outside my area of interest. Never looked at them, even to see prices. All I can say is, it's worth whatever you feel it's worth when you're buying it. If you ever sell it, it'll be worth whatever the buyer decides it's worth to them.
For now, it's a cool old piece to study, admire, and learn as much as you can from.
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 15, 2019 4:05:09 GMT
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Post by elbrittania39 on Feb 15, 2019 9:13:18 GMT
How does it feel in the hand? It looks very slender in the spine so I imagine that its agile despite the chunky profile.
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 15, 2019 16:24:20 GMT
ok after giving it some thought and learning a whole lot talking to professionals the past few days, i think im not ready for an antique of this caliber and am gonna start out smaller with something newer, srry if i wasted anyones time giving me advice but i learned alot
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 16:26:16 GMT
ok after giving it some thought and learning a whole lot talking to professionals the past few days, i think im not ready for an antique of this caliber and am gonna start out smaller with something newer, srry if i wasted anyones time giving me advice but i learned alot Learning how to care for antiques is never a waste of time. The only contribution I have is to say Renaissance wax is amazing stuff and I once spoke to the man at The British Museum who invented it.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 15, 2019 16:40:03 GMT
ok after giving it some thought and learning a whole lot talking to professionals the past few days, i think im not ready for an antique of this caliber and am gonna start out smaller with something newer, srry if i wasted anyones time giving me advice but i learned alot Dude, if you can afford it and it speaks to you, get it. Don't worry about if you're "worthy" or "qualified" to have it. As long as you know better than to go hacking at trees with it, and don't try to take a belt sander to it to "clean it up" then it won't suffer for being in your care. If putting it on a rack and leaving it alone, except to wipe it down with a lightly-oiled rag every so often is the worst you intend to treat it, then you're good. I don't even do that for my antiques.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 16:41:42 GMT
ok after giving it some thought and learning a whole lot talking to professionals the past few days, i think im not ready for an antique of this caliber and am gonna start out smaller with something newer, srry if i wasted anyones time giving me advice but i learned alot Dude, if you can afford it and it speaks to you, get it. Don't worry about if you're "worthy" or "qualified" to have it. As long as you know better than to go hacking at trees with it, and don't try to take a belt sander to it to "clean it up" then it won't suffer for being in your care. If putting it on a rack and leaving it alone, except to wipe it down with a lightly-oiled rag every so often is the worst you intend to treat it, then you're good. I don't even do that for my antiques. Hear, hear. You are worthy to keep it. So long as you don't get your oils and fingerprints all over it and don't allow any new rust to form (wear gloves when you hold it and keep it oiled or covered in Renaissance Wax) then you really cannot do any damage. Display the sword proudly and enjoy being its keeper. It's a glorious looking weapon.
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 15, 2019 16:50:56 GMT
thanks for the encouragement fellas, i appreciate it this is a learning curve from replicas, im thinking about getting a newer and less historically significant jian or saber and see how it goes from there
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 15, 2019 16:57:15 GMT
Just get this one~~
Get a newer, less whatever one later. This one is one you want now, and likely to be one that stays with you longer than any newer, "less significant" piece will.
Just do it™
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 15, 2019 19:01:41 GMT
The only real learning curve there is with antiques is learning the limits of what you can do with them, and learning what you should do with individual pieces based on their own merits.
If it's something you want - go for it. The only qualifying limit is really what you can afford.
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Post by elbrittania39 on Feb 15, 2019 22:07:44 GMT
Yeah, I own antiques and they really aren't even challenging to look after. I oil them once a month and I've never had any issues related to care. If anything, I've noticed modern steel tends to be more sensitive to rust and corrosion.
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Post by stormmaster on Feb 15, 2019 22:11:32 GMT
ive decided to start smaller, see if antiques really have my interest and then move up from there, looking at some 18th century chinese military sabers atm
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Post by elbrittania39 on Feb 15, 2019 23:01:13 GMT
I know a great little militia sabre in the classifieds
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