So I am thinking about getting a rather pricey and old antique sword soon and I would like to know from some of the more experienced antique collectors whats some tips and tricks and general dos and donts about antiques? Any and all info will be helpful in my quest to maintain and preserve this antique as long as possible. Also is Ren Wax really that much more efficient then oil? I know you have to use more oil but idk I've always prefered oil
Wow, congrats! Looking forward to a longer writeup about this new acquisition.
I think the main thing with nice and/or unique antiques is not to restore them, just stabilize/conserve. I take off clearly active orange or red rust with mild cloths and brushes, then seal everything. With very common and recent antiques, like some of the British military swords Matt Easton presents (or the Italian 1871 I just got from Corvus Corax), I think most people are ok with restoration work such as polishing back to as-new condition because it doesn't risk depriving the historical record of unique data or stories.
I use Renaissance Wax to seal everything because it is fine on any material. With regular oil you run the risk of degrading organic components. I like the fact that you can put Ren Wax on leather, wood, etc. It also allows you to handle pieces with no residue transfer.
Personally, I don't put anything on mine. I touch them often, too. Granted, I always make a point to wipe them off with dry cloth before putting them away. Usually it's just my shirt.
I run a window air conditioner year-round, as even though it's 30 outside right now it'll be hot later because Virginia. This probably helps keep humidity within the room at a pretty stable/low level, so nothing really feels the need to rust.
It looks like yours doesn't have a scabbard, so I'd just hang it up somewhere safe (where it won't fall) and wipe it down every so often.
Post by elbrittania39 on Feb 14, 2019 21:02:28 GMT
I prefer mineral oil personally. Its got less of a scent and color than olive oil. But for my swords, i just dab a little on with a paper towel an make sure its spread around enough. Remember that if you wear gloves while handling, you will reduce the frequency at which you need to oil. Also, remember NOT to oil anything besides the steel. Some oils can harm leather and cloth.
With antiques in general, I'd also advise not doing anything to them you arent 100% confident in. There's no worse feeling than trying to do some work on an antique then damaging it in some way. Leave that stuff for the the Uhlan's of the world
thanks guys this sword is believed to have laid in mud or something like that on 1 side, it is not bad and does not affect functionality which I wouldnt use anyways lol but it is alot of stabilized patina
I bought a spadroon from him in 2008 (I had been watching it for eight years). It had received the paste wax routine. I can't agree that the wax truly conserved the item because under the black/gray crust was soft crumbly active red rust.
I have not gone further than clean off the crud and red dust under it and the corrosion is now mostly stabilized. The foible almost porous at the tip. In a few more decades under the wax, it would only have gotten worse. Here with another problem sword I received unmessed with from Carolina Collectors in 2009. (I like to collect siblings of straight and curved).
Blue&Gilt with the dreaded red spots are somewhat measles of doom. Be really careful using solvents around old nitre blue&gilt.
Some do use Renaissance Wax and other candy coatings on old b&g. I don't, nor oil. Windex and other alchohol based stuff for cleaning the more complete b&g blades.
I have been known to try almost anything once and for candy coatings like silicon spray and even the old nu-finish auto type stuff. Gun cloths (silicon) and any number of weapon treatments. Hey, they are weapons right? I've been meaning to try Ballistol. I do keep WD-40 around for cutting parties but at the end of the day, clean and dry still mostly reigns my roost.
I see a huge gap between conservation and restoration but I do combine both at times. In the end, how far one goes is really up to the owner but consider traditions, especially with old Japanese stuff.
Michael D Long in the UK sells a great deal of swords that have been buffed out. Some may be shocked when they come across Matt Easton with a drill and wire wheel having at it. Hey, we all progress and have our own reasoning. His drill reasoning that it is quicker and not going to truly destroy what isn't terribly valuable. Just be aware when looking at Matt's stuff. He is progressing, just like most of us do. Look to his experience after finding about Evapo-Rust on Sword Forum International. There are videos and many restoration/conservation links, pages, threads. Many. I have a recent example of idle easy cleaning of a 220 year old spadroon in the military section here. I would never insist any follow my own little shop of horrors but I have some tricks and tips that work for me.
Uhlan does do some very in depth restorations and some of those go beyond what one would have found off the shelf, or issued to a trooper. There's nothing inherently wrong with that but think about the next owner . Some cleaning and fixes can raise value. Other times it ends up reducing some subjective market values.
So, clean and dry most of the time for me. I am still using up an ancient can of automotive silicon glaze on some blades as a study and I adored Nevr-Dull until I used up a can of it. Simi-chrome. I was just touching up an acrylic watch crystal with toothpaste but usually go with 1200 wet dry and Simi-chrome to rid light scratching on stuff. I've also used brewed coffee, polystyrene pellets and cyanoacrylate to patch a Japanese rayskin grip. Baking soda, dilute peroxide. Electric and manual toothbrushes. Dental picks. Dental floss. Light oil and steel wool (yuck but it works quick). Lots of wet dry papers, cloths, plastic scrubbies. I like the edge of a coin and Chore Boy copper scrubbies. Some use aluminum foil and oil or water. Plastic scrubbies.
Pecards antique leather dressing. It is mostly beeswax It brought back a 200+ year old scabbard that was turning into dry rot dust. It does though darken and stiffen. Some swear by lanolin. Some leather treatments soften old leather to the point of stretching out of shape. Be careful.
I should lightly clean some active rust off my old haudegen but it already has about three hundred years more experience than I do and is in much better shape
The overall condition is such that you would be better off having a maker recreate one, if you want something shiny. Restoring it, as in to as good serviceable, as in ready to war with. Well the pitting is quite deep. To make in a uniform height/depth would take a lot of stock removal..
To just brighten it some, one could start with cleaning but it seems it already has been. The heavy scale rust removed, leaving overall pitting. The Evapo-Rust stuff would brighten things a a bit but to be honest, I would need much higher resolution images to see what is going on there.
Do you have the sword in hand at this point? It looks like it probably had an acid dip to remove the heavy corrosion and then wiped down a bit after. Some light rust now at the base of the blade. I would start by washing the blade first in a baking soda solution and scrubbing with a regular old fingernail/hand brush or even larger. The grip wrapping a later addition, almost guaranteed. Added for a display aesthetic.
Edit Not bigger images per se but larger resolution.
The blade almost looks modern to me and plated, anodized or something. Active rust under the grip wrap. The blade treatment maybe after having been acid washed.
redscorpion: I prefer to think of myself as "vintage' or "seasoned", not antique...
Feb 21, 2019 22:37:48 GMT
christain: What antique collection? Me 'n Red???
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joseph08: Loved to see this antique collection.
Feb 21, 2019 5:46:48 GMT
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Feb 21, 2019 1:42:38 GMT
christain: Talk later....big supper on the table. Oh yeah...pot-roast and all the trimmings. I'm done for...
Feb 21, 2019 1:25:10 GMT
christain: I'm really not much of a social-gathering type of person, but I love to Ren-Fest so I can walk around in an outlandish costume (except Halloween) and not have anyone look at me funny...other than to admire.
Feb 21, 2019 1:21:46 GMT
redscorpion: Been doing too much work myself. I would love to take some time and attend a nerd-fest of some type, but I don't see that happening for at least the next 6 months.
Feb 21, 2019 0:43:05 GMT
christain: I'll (hopefully) get back to work in time to put a little cash stash back. Having a 'seasonal' job can really suck. Very slow in the winter.
Feb 20, 2019 22:58:36 GMT
nerdthenord: Probably not this year unfortunately. Who knows next year.
Feb 20, 2019 22:45:01 GMT
christain: Speaking of Springtime...Any of you Texans planning on going to Scarborough Fair this year? I hope to be able to go. Costume?: As yet undecided. Armor?: Almost 100% sure thing.
Feb 20, 2019 20:56:40 GMT
christain: Rain and cold was intolerable yesterday. Today....I went outside with my dogs wearing just my PJ's and a bathrobe. WTF? It's a wonder people aren't keeling over from pneumonia. Call me ready for Springtime.
Feb 20, 2019 20:50:28 GMT
nerdthenord: Pretty nice day here so far. Cool but sunny.
Feb 20, 2019 20:40:42 GMT
Djinnobi (Venus): It is quite warm over here in central Canada as well. Only -18C
Feb 20, 2019 18:19:34 GMT
redscorpion: 11 C (53 in real measurement), but gloomy grey and drizzle rain- very English. Not so bad for this time of year. Good camping weather.
Feb 20, 2019 14:25:39 GMT
christain: Not frozen seas here (yet), but plenty wet and icky cold outside. Good day to stay inside huddled up in bed with the missus, puppydawgs, a bag of popcorn, and an old movie.
Feb 19, 2019 20:36:40 GMT
ouroboros: Yeargh and avast ye scurvy dawgs. Let sl the mooring lines for our boat be in frozen seas ... -19 C ...
Feb 19, 2019 15:32:26 GMT
nerdthenord: It was a nice week off. Alas, I must return to the grind tomorrow. Valhalla!!
Feb 18, 2019 0:39:55 GMT
ouroboros: -6C east of Ottawa, winds from the west at 14kph. Nice looking morning out there. I see a good day ahead
Feb 16, 2019 15:22:16 GMT
christain: I'll be SOOO glad to get back to work. Boss said maybe mid-March. I need a H/T Bastard to keep my H/T Longsword company. Bet your boots, I'll have a winter side-job lined up for next year! Wifey doesn't like it when things get tight. Neither do I.
Feb 15, 2019 23:41:58 GMT
christain: It's about 72F. here. I may sit out by the fire-pit tonight. Spent a good part of the afternoon polishing armor. This becomes a bi-weekly thing in winter. But, with the up 'n down temps here, I can see rust forming. From cold and dry to warm and damp--yup.
Feb 15, 2019 23:34:20 GMT
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